Scouts with porn on campouts

[SeattlePioneer]

Hello Dean,

 

 

 

[Beavah]

Yah, sigh. So SeattlePioneer, I'm just curious.

 

I'm sure that at least one of your scouts uttered a verbal insult sometime this summer.

 

Did you report it to the SE?

 

I'm sure at some point in your troop or a local troop, a youth leader did somethin' that wasn't the best choice when the adults weren't nearby.

 

Did you report it to the SE?

 

I expect at some point in camp this summer an adult took a turned-on-phone into the restroom with him.

 

Did you report it to the SE?

 

I'm willin' to bet that at some point in your scoutin' career yeh had a lad "borrow" an item from another boy without asking.

 

Did you report it to the SE?

 

I'm willin' to bet that at some point in your scoutin' career that a lad took a poke at another lad.

 

Did you report it to the SE?

 

I expect that sometime in the last month a boy in your unit has misbehaved.

 

Did you immediately inform the boy's parents?

 

I'm sure OA ran an ordeal in the last few months in your area.

 

Did you file a report with da SE about that "physical initiation"?

 

All of those things and more are in da same "rules as written" that yeh are talkin' about. Did you really follow 'em as you claim, and file multiple reports with da SE in the last month, or did you instead "interpret away reporting requirements" by exercising reasonable adult judgment?

 

Beavah

 

 

 

[SeattlePioneer]

All the Scouts in my units are little ANGELS!

[Kristian]

lol - your complete lack of understanding of what happens in the real world astounds me.

 

anyone else wondering how long it would take seattle to eliminate every single scout/scouter in the bsa if he was sent from troop to troop?

[eolesen]

Sorry I've been gone for the last couple days -- I went 5 mph over the speed limit on the way back from camp, and had to track down my SE to self-report....

 

I'm amazed at how "taken to the absurd extreme" this discussion went....

 

I was a registered foster care provider in AZ, and the agency's rules are far more rigid than BSA's. If I called my case workers over a Playboy or inappropriate pics on a cell phone (that were clearly not taken by the kid), they'd probably hang up on me. And, being trained/registered/licensed made me and them far more culpable where reporting abuse is concerned...(This message has been edited by Eolesen)

[SeattlePioneer]

So the model of behavior being endorsed here seems to be that it's just FINE for BSA and other organizations to have RIGID, UNCOMPROMISING rules which leaders are trained in and told to follow, but are expected to ignore in practice.

 

I'm not in favor of such rules. I think they are foolish. But putting leaders in the position of ignoring them makes it convenient to blame the leaders whenever something goes wrong.

 

That is dishonest and unfair, in my view.

 

It's also possible that there could be reasons for such rules, and that if followed they would deter people from adopting bad patterns of behavior. That POSSIBILITY would require an Xpert to comment on and evaluate.

 

Personally, I don't care much for being the fall guy and blamed because, you know, you SHOULD HAVE FOLLOWED THE RULES IN WHICH YOU WERE TRAINED.

[Oak Tree]

Review da actual case history for da BSA in your state.

 

I have often thought that this would be a useful thing to do. I've suggested that it's something they should teach at the University of Scouting, but they haven't yet taken me up on it.

 

How do I go about doing that? Where would I search? I somehow doubt it's available for perusal at the council office.