Removing a volunteer

[Beavah]

This is rarely the case. A unit usually removes an adult for reasons such as personality conflicts or simply not getting their job done. Those are not grounds for the BSA to revoke membership.

 

Yah, I should have been clear, eh?

 

There's two ways membership can be revoked.

 

One is for serious violations such as YP and whatnot. That's a permanent revocation of membership, eh? Yeh are banned from da BSA for life for all intents and purposes.

 

The second is for membership to be "dropped." This happens naturally at recharter time, o'course. But in da interim, a volunteer who is no longer a member of the sponsorin' entity can (and should) also be dropped until such a time as they file an application with another unit, get re-vetted and re-approved. Good SE's and DE's will see that this gets done, either formally or informally dependin' on da nature of the reasons for removal. Typically when it doesn't happen it's because the unit doesn't communicate with da council.

 

But YMMV, eh? I too have seen da "promote them up and out of the way" bit.

 

Beavah

 

[Bob White]

Just to be clear, the first thing you describe is a membership being revoked. There is only one kind of revocation. And while it is possible for a revocation decision to be reversed all revocations are considered permanent.

 

The second situation you describe is not a revocation, it is a membership 'lapse' also called an 'expiration', and happens when a membership end date arrives and is not renewed in time to be considered uninterrupted. Lapsed or expired memberships can be renewed at any time unlike a revocation.

[evmori]

Guess I gotta ask again. If a unit has an adult removed from their roster, doesn't this remove them as a BSA member?

[ScoutNut]

As a member of that unit - yes. As a member of BSA - not necessarily.

 

If they are registered elsewhere in another capacity (MBC, UC, member of another unit, etc) they are still a registered member of BSA.

 

[Eagle Foot]

Thanks for all of the information.

As it seems coming from a good source and I would have to agree; the COR and the CC can remove a adult volunteer from the unit, not from Scouting, just from the unit. The COR and the CC must be in agreement the COR takes pirority over the CC if there is a conflict, then it could (should be) addressed by the unit committee. As stated the person(s) signing the adult application have the authority to remove and not the Scoutmaster. Again this is just removal from the unit not BSA, also the Council can not change the decision after it has been made. BSA is still foggy about getting this written out.

 

This is the worst possible thing that can happen to a unit when you have to cross this bridge. I can't say enough, catch it early, make sure you have a good realationship with your COR, do your best to screen your adults when joing, make sure they know how the chain of command goes within the unit and with the scouts. It's great that everybody wants to help, sometimes it's to much.

 

Edited by Eagle Foot

 

 

 

 

 

[John-in-KC]

The CC should not be the one to issue the removal to a unit serving volunteer. The COR approves unit serving volunteer apps for the licensee of Scouting, the chartered organization. Letting him or her be the heavy is often a good thing.

[T&C44]

Sorry, I know this thread is sort of dead... What about a volunteer that doesn't have a COR such as an ADC or DC? Would the District Exec have that authority or who?

 

 

[jmwalston]

For District volunteers, I believe the decision lies with the District Key 3. However, since the individual in question is one of the Key 3, that would be a non-workable scenario. It would then,IMO, be a decision of the Council Executive Committee. Unless the problem is something that screams outright policy violation or YP problem, and you have a documentable case of it in several units (policy violation), then I doubt you will get the result you are looking for.

[Bob White]

Again, are you removing them from a position or revoking membership?

 

If simply removing them from a position it would depend on who they work for.

 

Roundtable staff works for the Roundtable commissioner, The roundtable commissioner works fopr the District Commissioner, The District Commissioner works for the Council Commissioner.

 

Unit Commissioners and Assistant District Commissioners work for the District Commissioner.

 

A District sub-committee member works for the committee chair, the committee chair works for the District Chairperson and the District Chair works for the District Body.

 

Removal of a district member at large would be by the District Body as well.

 

A CR wopuld have to be replaced by the charter organization's IH.

 

Revoking of membership would be by the Council's Scout executive.

 

The Key Three would not be needed to remove anyone from their position and would have no authority to revoke membership.

 

(This message has been edited by Bob White)

[vol_scouter]

If the only position that the volunteer has is through the unit, the most likely thing to happen is that the individual will no longer be part of the unit but will for a while retain BSA membership. Unless the unit or CO is really angry with the volunteer (assuming no YP problems), the unit/CO will more than likely let the issue go and not report it to the council. If that is the case, the volunteer will be a BSA member until the next renewal date, at which there will be no sponsor so the membership will lapse (assuming that the volunteer doesn't get involved on the district/council level). Even if the volunteer is brought to the attention of the council, their membership may not be revoked because they may be recruited to a district/council position.

[T26Watcher]

And what is to be done when a MC resigns his/her position (formally in writing) ?

 

Since the person remains registered as a Scout Leader util the end of the charter period, can that person still act as an adult leader on troop activities ?

 

 

[Bob White]

Yes. Unless the unit has notified the council office and had the individual removed from the unit roster. As long as the individual remains on the roster they would be registered but inactive.

Which is why a formal letter of resignation is not required.

[John-in-KC]

T26watcher,

 

If, for whatever reason, a MC formally left the Committee, your Chairman and COR should be gracious and send them a nice note thanking him/her for their service to Scouting.

 

I know how busy Registrars and support staff are, especially this time of year. There's lots of advancment reports flowing in, even with internet advancement. Do not be surprised if this Scouter is still on your rolls when recharter rolls around. It's real easy to administratively remove at that point... you uncheck him/her for renewal.