InquisitiveScouter Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 (edited) Courses SCO_1600 thru SCO_1605?? Cannot find them on https://training.scouting.org/home The content was fine, and was a great lead-in to an in-person ILST. Anyone know why they took it off the catalog?? GGGRRRRRRR https://discussions.scouting.org/t/ilst-training-module/264158 Edited March 1, 2023 by InquisitiveScouter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjohns2 Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 31 minutes ago, InquisitiveScouter said: Anyone know why they took it off the catalog?? I didn't know they were public facing. From what I heard is that a couple of councils participated in an official test of online ILST and it was determiuned that wouldn't be an option going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitiveScouter Posted March 1, 2023 Author Share Posted March 1, 2023 I had about 15 Scouts do it before an in-person ILST and the feedback was entirely positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malraux Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 It's been gone for at least a year. I think it was primarily a pandemic adaption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxRanger Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 ILST = Introduction to Leadership Skills for Troops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitiveScouter Posted March 1, 2023 Author Share Posted March 1, 2023 22 minutes ago, malraux said: It's been gone for at least a year. I think it was primarily a pandemic adaption. Ok, but this is something BSA paid money to develop. All sunk cost once deployed. Probably no cost to maintain. In fact, they probably had to pay to have it taken down. At least least leave it in place until syllabus changes made it obsolete. Again, the content was good. I went through the courses myself, to gauge the value before an in-person class. I'm really shaking my head on this one... less options for training really isn't a good solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HashTagScouts Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 34 minutes ago, InquisitiveScouter said: Ok, but this is something BSA paid money to develop. All sunk cost once deployed. Probably no cost to maintain. In fact, they probably had to pay to have it taken down. At least least leave it in place until syllabus changes made it obsolete. Again, the content was good. I went through the courses myself, to gauge the value before an in-person class. I'm really shaking my head on this one... less options for training really isn't a good solution. Especially where this is not entirely a required training, having the online available could have been the only exposure that some youth may have ever had to the content. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxRanger Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 32 minutes ago, InquisitiveScouter said: Ok, but this is something BSA paid money to develop. All sunk cost once deployed. Probably no cost to maintain. In fact, they probably had to pay to have it taken down. At least least leave it in place until syllabus changes made it obsolete. Again, the content was good. I went through the courses myself, to gauge the value before an in-person class. I'm really shaking my head on this one... less options for training really isn't a good solution. Seems strange to have a good product simply to remove it and cut off a convenient training vehicle, available anytime. Why is so much National does simply inexplicable? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACAN Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 (edited) Try this link: May need to copy/paste into your browser. file:///E:/BSA%20Training/ILST_IntroSyllabus_9_11.pdf Edited March 1, 2023 by PACAN Added info 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjohns2 Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 14 hours ago, mrjohns2 said: I didn't know they were public facing. From what I heard is that a couple of councils participated in an official test of online ILST and it was determiuned that wouldn't be an option going forward. Sorry. I confused it with IOLS. The online ILST wasn’t that great, IMHO. The Scouts would benefit from older Scouts presenting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwazse Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, PACAN said: Try this link: May need to copy/paste into your browser. … Maybe this link will work better for one-click … https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/training/pdf/ILST_IntroSyllabus_9_11.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitiveScouter Posted March 1, 2023 Author Share Posted March 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, mrjohns2 said: Sorry. I confused it with IOLS. The online ILST wasn’t that great, IMHO. The Scouts would benefit from older Scouts presenting. The content was fine. Agree that Scouts would benefit from older Scouts presenting the material. Shoulda left it up to provide alternate avenue for training as @HashTagScouts points out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitiveScouter Posted March 1, 2023 Author Share Posted March 1, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, PACAN said: Try this link: May need to copy/paste into your browser. file:///E:/BSA%20Training/ILST_IntroSyllabus_9_11.pdf @PACAN, thank you, but we have full access to the syllabus. That was not the point of my OP. More to the story... we have an in-person ILST coming up. There are a few Scouts who will not be able to make the training, but need it. I was looking for the on-line courses to provide them an alternate possibility for training. BSA took them down some time ago. (I did not mentor the youth last year during our early 2022 ILST, so was unaware the course had been removed.) Edited March 1, 2023 by InquisitiveScouter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwazse Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 @InquisitiveScouter some councils and units have produced their own ILST. It’s a little more work to pick your flavor, but you might find a YouTube that suits you. But, not every scout needs ILST. Get a critical mass to do it over a weekend of games, and they will infect the others if you are an active troop. Also, video instruction might not suit the personality of the scouts who miss it. Don’t hesitate to share the syllabus with them. When my daughter had to read the ILSC syllabus because she was going to teach it, she asked, “Why didn’t you teach us this?” I bit my lip to avoid saying something unscoutlike in reply about their unwillingness to schedule a weekend for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACAN Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 PM me. I might have the what you are looking for Instructional Overview (September 2020) Online & Virtual Introduction to Leadership Skills for Troops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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