Catholics turn

[fred8033]

On 10/4/2024 at 5:37 PM, DeaconLance said:

I am surprised the facilities use agreement was even contemplated.  Catholic Mutual advised dioceses to stick to charter agreements or do not allow any use at all.

Why?  

Is it that parents see meetings at the church and assume church oversight?  The insurance company is saying be responsible or don't do it at all.  Simply meeting at the church infers oversight.  Liability is not waived by a legal document between the church and BSA because the parents are not part of the agreement. 

This feels like a long-evolving legal interpretation.  Effectively, if you own something, you are responsible.  The church owns the building, so the church has responsibility to protect those using the building.  

[skeptic]

Once again, we choose to accept passing off personal responsibility onto "someone or something".  Corporations or PAC's are somehow people, so they can do what individuals can; so says the court.  Until somehow we have the courage to FIX the legal jungle and not allow foolish and far fetched ideas or definitions to be accepted, we will continue to have these ongoing messes.

Edited October 7 by skeptic

[PACAN]

I'm not an expert in the CM policies but it would seem that having ANY youth group (School, sports, teen social groups) within the individual parishes are subject to YP and would cause the liability rates to go up. 

[PACAN]

GSA turn…I just saw the Archbishop of Cincinnati has dropped them from the diocese.  

[NealOnWheels]

1 hour ago, PACAN said:

GSA turn…I just saw the Archbishop of Cincinnati has dropped them from the diocese.  

Yes - but appears to be due to views on sexuality - not due to youth protection liability issues.

[Eagledad]

15 hours ago, NealOnWheels said:

Yes - but appears to be due to views on sexuality - not due to youth protection liability issues.

Transgenderism is a future liability issue that was discussed on this forum a few years ago. One example of Nationals membership changes that are ironically making scouting more exclusive.

Barry

[DuctTape]

2 hours ago, Eagledad said:

Transgenderism is a future liability issue that was discussed on this forum a few years ago. One example of Nationals membership changes that are ironically making scouting more exclusive.

Barry

I don't follow. Can you elaborate?

[BetterWithCheddar]

Since this is a Catholic-specific thread, I think it's important to also acknowledge that participation in organized religion has also decreased during the same time period. The number of self-identifying Catholic adults peaked in the US around 2005 at ~81 million. While there has not been a steep decline (there were still ~73 million self-identifying Catholic adults in 2023), church membership has not kept pace with population growth. Since churches have historically been big supporters of Scouting, this may help explain a portion of the membership decline.

Fewer families going to church ---> Fewer kids in Scouting

Faith Survey | American Catholic Statistics (1965-2021)

[Tron]

On 11/9/2024 at 6:00 AM, BetterWithCheddar said:

Since this is a Catholic-specific thread, I think it's important to also acknowledge that participation in organized religion has also decreased during the same time period. The number of self-identifying Catholic adults peaked in the US around 2005 at ~81 million. While there has not been a steep decline (there were still ~73 million self-identifying Catholic adults in 2023), church membership has not kept pace with population growth. Since churches have historically been big supporters of Scouting, this may help explain a portion of the membership decline.

Fewer families going to church ---> Fewer kids in Scouting

Faith Survey | American Catholic Statistics (1965-2021)

Maybe, most the strongest units in my area have some sort of relationship with a church that provides large amounts of space for storage and program use. There is definitely something that strengthens units when they say "We meet every week on Wednesday night at 7PM unless it's a major holiday like Christmas".

[PACAN]

This topic has strayed from the original post which was to identify and discuss Catholic diocese and units eliminating their scout programs.

[MattR]

21 minutes ago, PACAN said:

This topic has strayed from the original post which was to identify and discuss Catholic diocese and units eliminating their scout programs.

Give me a new name and a rough range of dates and I'll split the thread.

[PACAN]

1 hour ago, MattR said:

Give me a new name and a rough range of dates and I'll split the thread.

The last post that I quickly saw related to the Girl scouts dropping was by Ducttape on 10/30.  After that I didn't see one directly related.  Went into Character, joining and commissioner posts.