Catholics turn

[DeaconLance]

I am surprised the facilities use agreement was even contemplated.  Catholic Mutual advised dioceses to stick to charter agreements or do not allow any use at all.

[fred8033]

On 10/4/2024 at 5:37 PM, DeaconLance said:

I am surprised the facilities use agreement was even contemplated.  Catholic Mutual advised dioceses to stick to charter agreements or do not allow any use at all.

Why?  

Is it that parents see meetings at the church and assume church oversight?  The insurance company is saying be responsible or don't do it at all.  Simply meeting at the church infers oversight.  Liability is not waived by a legal document between the church and BSA because the parents are not part of the agreement. 

This feels like a long-evolving legal interpretation.  Effectively, if you own something, you are responsible.  The church owns the building, so the church has responsibility to protect those using the building.  

[skeptic]

Once again, we choose to accept passing off personal responsibility onto "someone or something".  Corporations or PAC's are somehow people, so they can do what individuals can; so says the court.  Until somehow we have the courage to FIX the legal jungle and not allow foolish and far fetched ideas or definitions to be accepted, we will continue to have these ongoing messes.

Edited October 7 by skeptic

[PACAN]

I'm not an expert in the CM policies but it would seem that having ANY youth group (School, sports, teen social groups) within the individual parishes are subject to YP and would cause the liability rates to go up. 

[PACAN]

GSA turn…I just saw the Archbishop of Cincinnati has dropped them from the diocese.  

[NealOnWheels]

1 hour ago, PACAN said:

GSA turn…I just saw the Archbishop of Cincinnati has dropped them from the diocese.  

Yes - but appears to be due to views on sexuality - not due to youth protection liability issues.

[Eagledad]

15 hours ago, NealOnWheels said:

Yes - but appears to be due to views on sexuality - not due to youth protection liability issues.

Transgenderism is a future liability issue that was discussed on this forum a few years ago. One example of Nationals membership changes that are ironically making scouting more exclusive.

Barry

[DuctTape]

2 hours ago, Eagledad said:

Transgenderism is a future liability issue that was discussed on this forum a few years ago. One example of Nationals membership changes that are ironically making scouting more exclusive.

Barry

I don't follow. Can you elaborate?

[Runningwolf]

Eagledad is spot on. Don't erase boys.

I am applying a broad brush for brevity. Use your brains and apply a Pareto distribution. Keep your OFF cans out of my campfire.

And so, we vent:

Been with BSA over 50 years. Currently on a troop committee. A very successful troop. Thirty boys with six eagles in the last year. We’re one retirement away from total collapse. 

1) If we write here like we’re afraid a Scout might read it, this is nothing more than a cracker barrel.

2) I believe victims. They deserve way more than they will ever see. I’ve seen severe abuse in the BSA – and reported it. I was 15.  I was hunted for a few hours through the brush and trees before the perps were driven from camp. As an adult, I chased some bare-______ perp away from camp with my vehicle. Then I called the sheriff. In the end, there is very little even a sheriff can do to a guy who was “only taking a leak.” The guy was let go with a warning. I'd still be happy to chase that _________ with my truck. BSA gave me that oppotunity.

3) A trans kid’s smile is the same as a straight kid’s smile when they learn for the first time at my waterfront that they can swim. Wow! Isn't that smile great! YES! Those bronze gods actually do something out there on the docks!

4) BSA has evaporated from my local market. When BSA became inclusive, for every Scout gained, 9+ were lost, effectively excluding 9 out of 10 interested boys. With that nine went 18 parents and 36 grandparents. This market is now a wasteland, devoid of most Scouts and nearly all alumni. The math is simple. Inclusivity brought about mass exclusion.

When the cataclysm came, a DE blithely said to me, “Well, now we can do it the right way.” I said, “Dude, you can’t do anything if you don’t have clients.” 

The recent poll concerning mixed troops was extracted from youth. Youth are not the clients. Parents are the clients. Will mothers will send their sons on overnighters with someone else's daughter? Will fathers send their daughter overnight with someone else's son? And, who’d a thunk it? Will wives send  send their husband overnight with another woman?

“Good riddance,” SmartyPants might say. But the straight kid’s smile is the same as the trans kid’s smile when he learns to swim. But the straight kid is not at camp. Momma said, “Sorry kiddo. We’re not doing that.” 

1 - 9 = -8. Don’t erase boys.