Accidental shooting at Aloha Council camp news

[T2Eagle]

From the referenced news article the BSA's attorney  "Ashida retorted that in its nearly 120-year history the Boy Scouts have never had a firearm fatality. "That's never happened, " he said."

If that's true it's somewhat surprising and pretty impressive given the sheer volume of kids who have been involved and must have participated in shooting sports.

I also have to say that every time this incident pops up I'm astounded by the poor judgment on the part of every adult present.  How is it that none of them recognized how wrong an idea it was to bring their own completely inappropriate arsenal to a scout camp.  

If I even had an inkling that something like this was going on with my own troop I would have shut it down or gone to whatever authority was necessary up to and including law enforcement to put a stop to it.

[RememberSchiff]

14 minutes ago, T2Eagle said:

From the referenced news article the BSA's attorney  "Ashida retorted that in its nearly 120-year history the Boy Scouts have never had a firearm fatality. "That's never happened, " he said."

 

 

[yknot]

1 hour ago, T2Eagle said:

If that's true it's somewhat surprising and pretty impressive given the sheer volume of kids who have been involved and must have participated in shooting sports.

 

About 500,000 youth annually are involved in 4-H shooting sports programs, more than scouts and it's a lot more involved. I haven't heard of any similar tragedies in 4-H, although perhaps there are some. 

[qwazse]

8 hours ago, T2Eagle said:

From the referenced news article the BSA's attorney  "Ashida retorted that in its nearly 120-year history the Boy Scouts have never had a firearm fatality. "That's never happened, " he said."

If that's true …

It’s not true. All of the standard operating procedures didn’t come out of thin air. Someone somewhere got hurt.

There’s a thread somewhere in this forum about a suicide at camp.

It may be that the quote is out of context. On a range following protocols to the letter, it’s hard to imagine how a fatality could occur.

I hope to high heaven that 4-H has never experienced anything like this.

9 hours ago, T2Eagle said:

… I'm astounded by the poor judgment on the part of every adult present.  How is it that none of them recognized how wrong an idea it was to bring their own completely inappropriate arsenal to a scout camp.  

How this happens? The modern interpretation of second amendment rights lends itself to gun enthusiasts who are not (possibly never were) part of a well-trained local militia.

[RememberSchiff]

 National sent out a Scout Executive Packet last July, just weeks before the fatal shooting,  warning of  a pattern of failing to follow SOP's as discovered  from 30 shootings (13 injuries) at sanctioned scout shooting events since 2018.

The new information (including spreadsheets) was included in a memo unearthed as part of discovery in a wrongful death suit.

 

Carvalho family lawyers have requested more details (incident reports?) from the BSA.

“The attorney for BSA, Lincoln Ashida, said some of the information is confidential and needs to be protected.

Ashida asked for a discovery master to be appointed to review all information requested before it’s turned over.”

The judge will appoint a discovery master.

More including reporter video at source:

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2023/06/17/boy-scouts-admit-30-shooting-investigations-near-misses-prior-big-island-scouts-death/

Edited June 17, 2023 by RememberSchiff

[RememberSchiff]

May 31, 2024 Update:

The civil lawsuit filed by the family of an 11-year-old Boy Scout Manuel Carvalho killed August 28, 2022, at the Camp Honokaia Boy Scout Camp range has been settled. The terms of the out-of-court settlement are confidential. Neither the Carvalho's family attorney Kris LaGuire nor the BSA attorney Lincoln Ashida would comment further.

"There have been no arrests or criminal charges filed in connection with Carvalho’s death."

"Capt. Rio-Amon Wilkins of the East Hawaii Criminal Investigation Division said at the time all the charges under review for potential filing are misdemeanors, punishable by up to a year in jail upon conviction.

The statute of limitations for misdemeanors in Hawaii is two years from the time of an incident for the authorities to file related charges."

More at source (but behind pay wall)

https://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/2024/05/31/hawaii-news/plaintiffs-boy-scouts-settle-wrongful-death-case/

https://www.westhawaiitoday.com/2024/05/31/hawaii-news/plaintiffs-boy-scouts-settle-wrongful-death-case/

[Tron]

I think a lot of this comes down to the fact that we all need to swim against the current and when we see or hear about dumb people doing dumb things with firearms we need to make sure the council executive is made immediately aware of things. 

I totally get that criminally speaking the situation was a misdemeanor; the real question is what has Aloha Council done to fix the total lack of firearm safety within their council? Were all of those low functioning judgement volunteers kicked out of the program? Was the camp ranger and staff fired for letting that happen on their watch?