T2Eagle Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 2 hours ago, mrjohns2 said: I'd recommend stopping this. Any incidents would not be covered by any BSA insurance. To be clear, it's the youth who cannot do this. There's no prohibition I can see for adults using a chipper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yknot Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 1 hour ago, T2Eagle said: To be clear, it's the youth who cannot do this. There's no prohibition I can see for adults using a chipper. Yes as in G2SS. I'm curious though how many COs allow even adults to do so. Ours doesn't. Chainsaws yes; wood chippers no. We do it at council camp properties simply because they have no idea but it's not allowed on any of their church properties or campgrounds where we do service projects. It's a huge liability risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2Eagle Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 14 minutes ago, yknot said: Yes as in G2SS. I'm curious though how many COs allow even adults to do so. Ours doesn't. Chainsaws yes; wood chippers no. We do it at council camp properties simply because they have no idea but it's not allowed on any of their church properties or campgrounds where we do service projects. It's a huge liability risk. What would they base the idea of a "huge liability" on. Is there data somewhere that says using a chipper is more likely to lead to injury than a chainsaw? Some specific insurance rider that indicates using one necessitate a higher premium? Most of the time that I hear people talk about liability they barely understand what the term really means, and it's almost always based on some gut instinct rather than real information. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malraux Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 37 minutes ago, yknot said: Yes as in G2SS. I'm curious though how many COs allow even adults to do so. Ours doesn't. Chainsaws yes; wood chippers no. We do it at council camp properties simply because they have no idea but it's not allowed on any of their church properties or campgrounds where we do service projects. It's a huge liability risk. As per g2ss, it takes special certification to use a chainsaw. There’s a whole class you’re supposed to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yknot Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 1 hour ago, T2Eagle said: What would they base the idea of a "huge liability" on. Is there data somewhere that says using a chipper is more likely to lead to injury than a chainsaw? Some specific insurance rider that indicates using one necessitate a higher premium? Most of the time that I hear people talk about liability they barely understand what the term really means, and it's almost always based on some gut instinct rather than real information. Chainsaws will be next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThenNow Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 1:25 AM, GrammaScout said: Our Troop of 70 began 'chipping trees and wreaths' at least ten years ago and make more than enough for the years' budget needs... I'm just pointing this out for my own amusement and that of some of my fellows. I have been Wack-A-Moled many times for being "off topic" on a thread. Here we are at Christmas trees, wood chippers, chainsaws and churches. What's the name of this thread again? That would be a great name for one. Just sayin. Ha. (Let's see if this gets deleted for being off topic.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vol_scouter Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, ThenNow said: I'm just pointing this out for my own amusement and that of some of my fellows. I have been Wack-A-Moled many times for being "off topic" on a thread. Here we are at Christmas trees, wood chippers, chainsaws and churches. What's the name of this thread again? That would be a great name for one. Just sayin. Ha. (Let's see if this gets deleted for being off topic.) The moderators have a tough job and have been much tighter on controlling the information in the bankruptcy threads due to the importance (I am inferring). Often, topics go various and sundry places, but all is good if about Scouting in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThenNow Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, vol_scouter said: The moderators have a tough job and have been much tighter on controlling the information in the bankruptcy threads due to the importance (I am inferring). Often, topics go various and sundry places, but all is good if about Scouting in my opinion. I know. Just give the guy a Monday morning chuckle. I am not saying these shouldn't wander and I've stated a number of times how little I envy the job of moderating this forum (or any forum). What I'm trying to point out is that on/off-topic is kind of subjective, regardless how important the thread. There seems to be a hairtigger when it comes to a few of us. Not understanding someone's humor as it is woven around a substantive post should not be grounds for deletion. Personal annoyance for lack of appreciation of the brand of comedy is one thing, but I'm not sure if deletion on that grounds is an appropriate act of moderation. But, then again, moderation is also subjective and relative. I'm just amused as I see what stays, in the full light of what of mine goes. My question always ends up being the same. "Should I stay or should I go now?" (Nod to The Clash.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vol_scouter Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, ThenNow said: I know. Just give the guy a Monday morning chuckle. I am not saying these shouldn't wander and I've stated a number of times how little I envy the job of moderating this forum (or any forum). What I'm trying to point out is that on/off-topic is kind of subjective, regardless how important the thread. There seems to be a hairtigger when it comes to a few of us. Not understanding someone's humor as it is woven around a substantive post should not be grounds for deletion. Personal annoyance for lack of appreciation of the brand of comedy is one thing, but I'm not sure if deletion on that grounds is an appropriate act of moderation. But, then again, moderation is also subjective and relative. I'm just amused as I see what stays, in the full light of what of mine goes. My question always ends up being the same. "Should I stay or should I go now?" (Nod to The Clash.) All true. Most of your humor, I follow and enjoy and appreciate. Some references I do not understand so miss the humor which is annoying since it is clear that it is to be funny. Some things that have been pulled I do not understand while someone else seems to do something further afield with no action. With several moderators with different points of view, it is of little wonder. I believe that most all of us appreciate your comments and insights. We all are sympathetic and horrified to your experiences. Personally, I hope that you are a long term poster here providing wisdom and insight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwazse Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 On 2/7/2022 at 10:55 AM, ThenNow said: I'm just pointing this out for my own amusement and that of some of my fellows. I have been Wack-A-Moled many times for being "off topic" on a thread. Here we are at Christmas trees, wood chippers, chainsaws and churches. What's the name of this thread again? That would be a great name for one. Just sayin. Ha. (Let's see if this gets deleted for being off topic.) To be fair. These have the common themes of “What’s the rule, really?”, “How to enforce?”, and “Does it make kids safer vs. unintended consequences?”, and of course, “Who pays when things spin sideways?” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I think this has been discussed enough here. In addition, we actually now have the updated YPT proposal in a different thread, so shutting this one down to prevent confusion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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