Eagle1993 Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, MYCVAStory said: Yep. the TCC knew this was coming. Now we'll see a group that might care about ALL victims. Worth noting why the Coalition just might think the BSA plan is a good one. The lawyers that are a part of the Coalition GET REIMBURSED 10.5 MILLION DOLLARS to pay their attorneys. PLUS almost a million a month until this is done. That's money that could have gone to victims everyone. The portion below.... 19. Payment of Coalition Restructuring Expenses On or as soon as reasonably practicable after the Effective Date, Reorganized BSA shall reimburse state court counsel for amounts they have paid to the Coalition Professionals for, and/or pay the Coalition Professionals for amounts payable by state court counsel but not yet paid to Coalition Professionals for, reasonable, documented, and contractual professional advisory fees and expenses incurred by the Coalition Professionals (the “Coalition Restructuring Expenses”) from the Coalition’s inception up to and including the Effective Date, up to a maximum amount equal to (a) $950,000 per month for the period from August 16, 2021 up to and including the Effective Date (pro-rated for any partial month), plus (b) $10,500,000 So....Hartford gets off lighter and drops its administratvive claim...Coalition takes less than it should but its bills get paid... THAT'S why the TCC is saying "Enough is enough." Didn't the judge scrap this ask as part of the RSA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThenNow Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 1 hour ago, MattR said: Putting on my moderator hat here. Those using scatological terms to describe plans need to stop. The lawyers are doing there job. I bow to the moderators and rend my garments. Apologies. Truly. (MYCVA started it, though. Jk.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CynicalScouter Posted September 15, 2021 Author Share Posted September 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, Muttsy said: I like the TCC Plan. A LOT. Quite an about face. It is a much clearer path. I’m sorry it has taken so long to roll out. It could well be a game changer. So, could the following take place: The TCC gets the judge to submit its plan OVER THE OBJECTIONS of the the BSA/Coalition/FCR/Hartford/LDS. The Coalition lawyers recommend to their clients they reject the TCC plan. Now, instead of the BSA plan failing because the Kosnoff/burn-it-all-down groups ensure the vote stays below 67%, now it is the Coalition that encourages enough clients to vote "no" that the TCC plan cannot get 67%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CynicalScouter Posted September 15, 2021 Author Share Posted September 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, Eagle1993 said: Didn't the judge scrap this ask as part of the RSA? Close. Scrapped it as part of the RSA, said OK to try again later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 Just now, CynicalScouter said: Close. Scrapped it as part of the RSA, said OK to try again later. There is 0 percent chance she allows this. It seemed to anger her a bit. It looks like a bribe.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CynicalScouter Posted September 15, 2021 Author Share Posted September 15, 2021 Just now, Eagle1993 said: There is 0 percent chance she allows this. It seemed to anger her a bit. It looks like a bribe.... Right, but she ruled I believe "without prejudice" meaning, they could try again. Doesn't mean it will WORK any better the second time around of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CynicalScouter Posted September 15, 2021 Author Share Posted September 15, 2021 This was the ruling: https://boyscoutssexualabuse.com/wp-content/uploads/bsa-ruling-on-rsa.pdf She rejected the Coalition payment "at this time" (page 20, line 2). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muttsy Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 I’m wondering if the TCC approach requires 2/3rds. It is a consensual plan for those who consent. The non-participating entities don’t get released. I think it gives the trustee much more leverage. It puts some money in survivors’ pockets now and preserves the prospect of much larger insurance contributions down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CynicalScouter Posted September 15, 2021 Author Share Posted September 15, 2021 That was fast, fast, fast. Judge orders TCC motion to delay the September 21 hearing on the disclosure statement to be heard on....September 21. https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/b69a209a-5fd6-4e7a-974e-a3355fd445ce_6229.pdf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muttsy Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 I think the TCC Plan will appeal to the judge who probably doesn’t care which plan gets BSA out of bankruptcy. The TCC plan is less problematic legally because it allows survivors to go back in to the tort system and get actual judgments which would be binding on the carriers. That’s where the true pressure points are. Plan 5.0 is cockamamie, rife with appeal issues and too cheap. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CynicalScouter Posted September 15, 2021 Author Share Posted September 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Muttsy said: I’m wondering if the TCC approach requires 2/3rds. It is a consensual plan for those who consent. Any plan requires 2/3rds of claimants in each class with claims valued at at least 50%. 11 U.S. Code § 1126. Quote (c) A class of claims has accepted a plan if such plan has been accepted by creditors, other than any entity designated under subsection (e) of this section, that hold at least two-thirds in amount and more than one-half in number of the allowed claims of such class held by creditors, other than any entity designated under subsection (e) of this section, that have accepted or rejected such plan. Since each claim is valued at $1, that's 2/3rds of victims voting. In this case, all the victims are voting on is a plan that keeps their options open: they can accept what the plan is offering OR go into the settlement trustee system or go back into the tort system (item #6) Quote 6. the TCC Plan includes modified TDPs that allow survivors to pursue and liquidate their claims in the tort system, enabling them to trigger the payment provisions under the applicable insurance policies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 12 minutes ago, CynicalScouter said: She rejected the Coalition payment "at this time" (page 20, line 2). And she went on for a page and a half as to every reason why she objected to the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CynicalScouter Posted September 15, 2021 Author Share Posted September 15, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Eagle1993 said: And she went on for a page and a half as to every reason why she objected to the idea. Yes, but she could have said "with prejudice" is my point. In other words, BSA was stupid to try again, but not outright out of line/contempt. Edited September 15, 2021 by CynicalScouter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CynicalScouter Posted September 15, 2021 Author Share Posted September 15, 2021 Since we moved, here's all the main Plan 5.0/TCC plan documents so far TCC Plan TCC Motion to allow it to file plan and outlines of the plan BSA Plan 5.0 Amended Chapter 11 Plan / Fifth Amended Chapter 11 Plan Amended Disclosure Statement for the Fifth Amended Chapter 11 Plan Redlines of Fifth Amended Plan and Amended Disclosure Statement to the Fifth Amended Plan Revised Proposed Solicitation Procedures Order Revised Proposed Confirmation Scheduling Order Redlines of Exhibit F to the Amended Disclosure Statement to the Fifth Amended Plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vol_scouter Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 21 minutes ago, CynicalScouter said: Any plan requires 2/3rds of claimants in each class with claims valued at at least 50%. 11 U.S. Code § 1126. Since each claim is valued at $1, that's 2/3rds of victims voting. In this case, all the victims are voting on is a plan that keeps their options open: they can accept what the plan is offering OR go into the settlement trustee system or go back into the tort system (item #6) This plan would likely doom the BSA. It will embroil the LC's in lawsuits resulting in bankruptcies. This will make any membership growth impossible as the councils will rapidly have to decrease staff to meet the legal costs. Losing membership will doom the BSA and the LC's over a few years. This is disastrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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