Eagle1993 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Hearing started ... 1) Meditation went into midnight last night. 2) Total votes to date (Wednesday before Thanksgiving) - 4,300 votes complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Concern about voting deadline, sounds like most parties want to push it out including BSA. Preliminary results would be January 7, final a few weeks later. So far, no objections to pushing out the date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 TCC - RP - Prepared to file modified motion. Would like to keep voting deadline UNLESS the changes are approved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Debtors (BSA) would like to delay, hoping mediation will lead to further settlements before the deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Proposed schedule of dates would be ... Voting Deadline - December 28, 4PM (2 weeks delay) Voting Report (Preliminary) - January 4 Objection Deadline - January 7 Final Audited Report - January 17 Confirmation Brief Support Deadline - January 17 Confirmation Hearing - January 24 Judge is concerned as in other case she had the preliminary & final report had big differences in votes. Even the Jan 4 to Jan 7 isn't enough time. BSA lawyers agree this is a big concern. Now more and more are concerned about the resulting timelines if vote is delayed.... Judge will allow parties to talk, will decide Monday. So, no change as of now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Century insurance fighting for discovery. They are very concerned that the confirmed number of scouts in terms of claimants are very low. Basically, BSA has not been able to clarify that the majority claimants are actually were even scouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattR Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 27 minutes ago, Eagle1993 said: Total votes to date (Wednesday before Thanksgiving) - 4,300 votes complete I would have thought half of them would be in by now. Any idea if this really is all or does it not include the master/spreadsheet/ whatever it's called votes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomScouter Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, Eagle1993 said: Basically, BSA has not been able to clarify that the majority claimants are actually were even scouts. ?? Wouldn't that have been part of the vetting process? Also, I seem to recall something about [some group--possibly lawyers?] wanting the BSA to release its current & historic rosters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, MattR said: I would have thought half of them would be in by now. Any idea if this really is all or does it not include the master/spreadsheet/ whatever it's called votes? I'm not sure this is true, but Kosnoff is stating (via Twitter) that the Coalition has votes they are not releasing as they are not good news. So they continue to fight to get voters to switch. I think it probably is underreported as the master spreadsheet ones are being held back. Now, if the votes were good news, I don't think BSA would be pushing (as is the Coalition) to push out the deadline. I also found it interesting that the TCC was actually somewhat against pushing out the deadline. So there could be some truth in Kosnoff's tweet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 1 minute ago, RandomScouter said: ?? Wouldn't that have been part of the vetting process? Also, I seem to recall something about [some group--possibly lawyers?] wanting the BSA to release its current & historic rosters. Well ... were these ever vetted? Councils have released rosters and many are showing most claimants were never scouts. There are reasons for this (records destroyed, etc.). Century is indicating there are ways to address this but councils are not supporting that (per Century). Basically, Century is claiming the BSA is paying as if most of the claims are false. However, the insurance companies as part of distribution will be paying as if the claims are all true. So, they are asking what the BSA did to vet any of these claims as clearly they think most are not valid (based on their offers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Century & Baltimore Area Council in a fight ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 95% of claimants in BAC cannot be confirmed as scouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Century is stating they are going to push back that the vast majority of claims are false and were not vetted. Century is making the statement ... BAC is saying they have a TON of data on rosters and are certifying that only 5% of claimants were really scouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2Eagle Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 14 minutes ago, Eagle1993 said: Century is stating they are going to push back that the vast majority of claims are false and were not vetted. Century is making the statement ... BAC is saying they have a TON of data on rosters and are certifying that only 5% of claimants were really scouts. I'm skeptical the number could be that low. Everybody knows there will be a number of false claims in these types of suits, but there have been a lot of them over the years and folks have a decent handle as to how many falsities to expect. It would be really strange to have this particular case inspire such an outsize level of fraud and deceit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Other councils similar ... 3% confirmed for one. Century going through a few councils. Basically, they are finding a very small number of abuse claimants are showing up on rosters. In addition, nearly no incident reports confirming the abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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