Chapter 11 Announced - Part 6 - Plan 5.0/TCC Plan TBD

[CynicalScouter]

As promised yesterday. In short, on average, most LCs are only putting up 17% of their total net assets into the fund.

Total Net Assets as claimed by LCs and posted in the BSA Plan documents. Next I'll look at Total Assets.

17.10%    Average
16.39%    Median
-165.96%    Min (deficit - Gulf Coast)
0.86%    Min (non-deficit - Rocky Mountain)
54.58%    Max (Greater Yosemite)
3    # of councils with % greater than or equal to 50%
5    # of councils with % greater than or equal to 40%
24    # of councils with % greater than or equal to 30%
83    # of councils with % greater than or equal to 20%

Local Council  Number	Local Council Name	Total Net Assets	% of Total Net Assets Towards Contribution
1	GREATER ALABAMA	19,278,576	19.12%
3	ALABAMA-FLORIDA	373129	30.64%
4	MOBILE AREA	396686	8.80%
5	TUKABATCHEE AREA	5,109,844	16.30%
6	BLACK WARRIOR	5,088,496	15.09%
10	GRAND CANYON	13,220,548	53.01%
11	CATALINA	3,720,641	29.04%
13	DE SOTO AREA	1056490	12.39%
16	WESTARK AREA	5224697	18.04%
18	QUAPAW AREA	15235944	30.30%
23	GOLDEN GATE AREA	28,909,000	27.67%
27	SEQUOIA	11,521,738	4.93%
30	SOUTHERN SIERRA	700,976	21.24%
31	PACIFIC SKYLINE	10,240,216	28.37%
32	LONG BEACH AREA	12,950,829	32.91%
33	GREATER LOS ANGELES	53,684,948	14.90%
35	MARIN	5,233,576	19.69%
39	ORANGE COUNTY	44,353,880	29.33%
41	REDWOOD EMPIRE	1,930,841	10.21%
42	PIEDMONT 042	8,760,428	6.18%
45	CALIFORNIA INLAND EMPIRE	3,782,786	30.52%
47	GOLDEN EMPIRE	8,611,490	15.33%
49	SAN DIEGO - IMPERIAL COUNCIL	8,352,772	31.87%
51	WESTERN LOS ANGELES COUNTY	15,702,392	7.96%
53	LOS PADRES	17,683,135	10.37%
55	SILICON VALLEY MONTEREY BAY	45,716,276	21.87%
57	VENTURA COUNTY	2,107,428	15.42%
58	VERDUGO HILLS	6,696,924	14.54%
59	GREATER YOSEMITE	4,030,800	54.58%
60	PIKES PEAK	9,593,538	17.92%
61	DENVER AREA	56,570,747	10.61%
62	LONGS PEAK COUNCIL	11,006,764	26.68%
63	ROCKY MOUNTAIN	1,066,753	1.08%
66	CONNECTICUT RIVERS	13,513,262	30.22%
67	GREENWICH	10,077,508	7.96%
69	HOUSATONIC	1,506,483	15.66%
70	OLD NORTH STATE	16,677,113	28.59%
72	CONNECTICUT YANKEE	10,688,875	24.15%
81	DEL-MAR-VA	19,542,325	11.47%
82	NATIONAL CAPITAL AREA	45,625,683	17.53%
83	CENTRAL FLORIDA	10,573,703	11.58%
84	SOUTH FLORIDA COUNCIL	21,922,433	14.43%
85	GULF STREAM	5,669,014	20.64%
87	NORTH FLORIDA	20,466,823	25.82%
88	SOUTHWEST FLORIDA	15,147,973	14.01%
89	GREATER TAMPA BAY AREA	22,355,534	27.07%
91	CHATTAHOOCHEE	8,369,501	11.21%
92	ATLANTA AREA	85,911,174	9.31%
93	GEORGIA-CAROLINA	3,188,839	10.23%
95	FLINT RIVER	8,416,197	9.10%
96	CENTRAL GEORGIA	2,097,388	14.28%
98	SOUTH GEORGIA	2,922,281	14.93%
99	COASTAL GEORGIA	17,627,025	14.66%
100	NORTHWEST GEORGIA	3,717,442	21.57%
101	NORTHEAST GEORGIA	13,134,711	16.28%
104	ALOHA	13,980,489	9.57%
106	MOUNTAIN WEST	8,911,101	22.67%
107	GRAND TETON	7,389,194	14.77%
117	PRAIRIELANDS	2,760,030	16.93%
127	THREE FIRES	6,967,736	22.98%
129	NORTHEAST ILLINOIS	14,465,093	15.14%
133	ILLOWA	4,201,885	18.65%
138	W.D. BOYCE	4,759,953	21.96%
141	MISSISSIPPI VALLEY	7,423,145	13.33%
144	ABRAHAM LINCOLN	13,419,277	11.69%
145	HOOSIER TRAILS	4,337,667	17.47%
156	BUFFALO TRACE	4,313,812	12.83%
157	ANTHONY WAYNE AREA	7,335,814	17.85%
160	CROSSROADS OF AMERICA	53,743,602	8.04%
162	SAGAMORE	8,939,152	12.85%
165	LASALLE	6,354,632	20.76%
172	HAWKEYE AREA	2,236,849	19.97%
173	WINNEBAGO	3,302,375	21.90%
177	MID-IOWA	19,756,543	12.67%
178	NORTHEAST IOWA COUNCIL	4,022,964	16.86%
192	CORONADO AREA	5,782,143	14.82%
194	SANTA FE TRAIL	1,703,505	11.94%
197	JAYHAWK AREA	9,256,957	3.73%
198	QUIVIRA	5,883,018	16.57%
204	BLUE GRASS	1,652,887	6.68%
205	LINCOLN HERITAGE	29,021,060	12.52%
209	CALCASIEU	2,684,095	16.48%
211	ISTROUMA AREA	4,469,927	15.21%
212	EVANGELINE AREA	2,224,130	7.55%
213	LOUISIANA PURCHASE	5,089,572	22.94%
214	SOUTHEAST LOUISIANA	6,247,592	30.05%
215	NORWELA	13,311,581	22.06%
216	KATAHDIN AREA	6,737,168	4.08%
218	PINE TREE	6,235,651	14.50%
220	BALTIMORE AREA	16,547,937	26.09%
221	MASON-DIXON	4,816,087	7.18%
224	CAPE COD & ISLANDS	5,695,480	14.82%
227	SPIRIT OF ADVENTURE	12,476,570	30.78%
230	HEART OF NEW ENGLAND	4,878,419	28.83%
234	WESTERN MASSACHUSETTS	2,329,076	28.55%
250	NORTHERN STAR	87,673,408	8.24%
251	MAYFLOWER	25,541,575	19.72%
283	TWIN VALLEY	4,383,665	17.88%
286	VOYAGEURS AREA	1,817,817	28.07%
296	CENTRAL MINNESOTA	5,894,035	4.70%
299	GAMEHAVEN	2,683,743	11.98%
302	CHOCTAW AREA	4,039,798	12.85%
303	ANDREW JACKSON	6,823,862	22.16%
304	PINE BURR AREA	3,346,929	9.86%
306	OZARK TRAILS	10,193,793	21.99%
307	HEART OF AMERICA	48,075,366	14.50%
311	PONY EXPRESS	7,613,366	13.33%
312	GREATER ST. LOUIS AREA	92,872,710	8.60%
315	MONTANA	40,231,850	7.91%
322	OVERLAND TRAILS	2,594,187	18.08%
324	CORNHUSKER	5,865,181	6.07%
326	MID-AMERICA	30,993,867	13.81%
328	LAS VEGAS AREA	11,862,323	28.54%
329	NEVADA AREA	12,143,400	20.64%
330	DANIEL WEBSTER	17,635,465	19.99%
333	NORTHERN NEW JERSEY	10,150,188	30.19%
341	JERSEY SHORE	2,434,162	15.86%
347	MONMOUTH	11,614,527	27.30%
358	PATRIOTS' PATH	12,242,272	30.26%
364	TWIN RIVERS	7,169,354	36.20%
368	BADEN POWELL	5,330,078	25.74%
373	LONGHOUSE	3,102,357	27.10%
375	FIVE RIVERS	3,878,800	21.45%
376	IROQUOIS TRAIL	1,511,261	22.67%
380	GREATER NIAGARA FRONTIER	5,906,728	26.03%
382	ALLEGHENY HIGHLANDS	3,009,103	29.89%
386	THEODORE ROOSEVELT	13,223,853	30.17%
388	GREATER HUDSON VALLEY	21,325,347	29.86%
397	SENECA WATERWAYS	27,246,306	29.36%
400	LEATHERSTOCKING	16,509,071	27.22%
404	SUFFOLK COUNTY	5,442,525	31.56%
405	RIP VAN WINKLE	1,114,645	21.53%
412	GREAT SOUTHWEST	3,699,977	3.15%
413	CONQUISTADOR	37,946,424	5.14%
414	DANIEL BOONE	8,491,265	7.73%
415	MECKLENBURG COUNTY	17,854,403	16.36%
416	CENTRAL NORTH CAROLINA	8,560,481	21.50%
420	PIEDMONT 420	14,174,636	19.65%
421	OCCONEECHEE	11,292,024	17.24%
424	TUSCARORA	4,759,005	18.04%
425	CAPE FEAR	6,634,063	15.75%
426	EAST CAROLINA	9,125,187	21.27%
427	OLD HICKORY	5,649,778	19.19%
429	NORTHERN LIGHTS	16,011,000	11.96%
433	GREAT TRAIL	16,105,652	18.99%
436	BUCKEYE	12,931,159	20.22%
438	DAN BEARD	21,380,016	19.01%
439	TECUMSEH	3,691,820	17.70%
440	LAKE ERIE	21,057,639	31.09%
441	SIMON KENTON	12,285,041	21.65%
444	MIAMI VALLEY	6,791,703	18.48%
449	BLACK SWAMP AREA	13,700,358	12.27%
456	PATHWAY TO ADVENTURE	26,311,995	27.46%
460	ERIE SHORES	25,880,370	16.08%
467	MUSKINGUM VALLEY	3,667,933	14.00%
468	ARBUCKLE AREA	6,453,524	8.88%
469	CHEROKEE AREA	5,785,389	5.45%
474	CIMARRON	2,150,517	13.14%
480	LAST FRONTIER	24,385,744	14.95%
488	INDIAN NATIONS	40,664,987	6.49%
491	CRATER LAKE COUNCIL	2,391,428	13.40%
492	CASCADE PACIFIC	53,321,895	18.75%
497	JUNIATA VALLEY	3,449,513	12.22%
500	MORAINE TRAILS	9,280,958	12.89%
501	NORTHEASTERN PENNSYLVANIA	3,796,375	18.10%
502	MINSI TRAILS	15,079,849	17.11%
504	COLUMBIA-MONTOUR	1,537,051	16.98%
509	BUCKTAIL	1,686,783	15.47%
512	WESTMORELAND-FAYETTE	5,813,752	23.52%
524	PENNSYLVANIA DUTCH	7,565,902	13.94%
525	CRADLE OF LIBERTY	26,961,031	25.25%
527	LAUREL HIGHLANDS	37,423,022	15.96%
528	HAWK MOUNTAIN	9,400,152	17.41%
532	FRENCH CREEK	5,116,861	13.67%
533	SUSQUEHANNA	3,355,296	13.53%
538	CHIEF CORNPLANTER	1,365,859	19.10%
539	CHESTER COUNTY	14,400,872	10.83%
544	NEW BIRTH OF FREEDOM	12,891,945	21.05%
546	NARRAGANSETT	33,921,688	18.99%
549	PALMETTO	2,775,109	5.98%
550	COASTAL CAROLINA	719,759	30.15%
551	BLUE RIDGE	6,929,475	15.28%
552	PEE DEE AREA	5,807,860	15.31%
553	INDIAN WATERS	3,637,862	15.30%
556	CHEROKEE AREA	2,333,587	50.57%
557	GREAT SMOKY MOUNTAIN	11,060,166	10.79%
558	CHICKASAW	16,023,639	12.77%
559	WEST TENNESSEE AREA	622,833	22.56%
560	MIDDLE TENNESSEE	43,069,049	8.33%
561	TEXAS TRAILS	3,414,926	18.38%
562	GOLDEN SPREAD	14,826,803	14.39%
564	CAPITOL AREA	49,809,411	8.42%
567	BUFFALO TRAIL	4,636,458	24.77%
571	CIRCLE TEN	90,499,081	8.83%
573	YUCCA	2,258,548	30.29%
574	BAY AREA	6,211,236	16.42%
576	SAM HOUSTON AREA	176,388,617	4.52%
577	SOUTH TEXAS	5,993,865	6.22%
578	THREE RIVERS	4,000,286	20.06%
583	ALAMO AREA	28,058,446	15.12%
584	CADDO AREA	2,473,944	20.46%
585	EAST TEXAS AREA	7,717,924	19.51%
587	NORTHWEST TEXAS	3,600,979	14.71%
590	CROSSROADS OF THE WEST	42,864,901	10.30%
592	GREEN MOUNTAIN	2,703,268	29.69%
595	COLONIAL VIRGINIA	1,224,609	28.35%
596	TIDEWATER	3,016,343	20.60%
598	SHENANDOAH AREA	1,684,972	11.20%
599	BLUE RIDGE MOUNTAINS	3,735,987	19.79%
602	HEART OF VIRGINIA	14,161,706	14.60%
604	BLUE MOUNTAIN	2,799,636	24.04%
606	MOUNT BAKER	11,069,839	19.42%
609	CHIEF SEATTLE	42,607,823	17.64%
610	GREAT ALASKA	15,954,297	3.63%
611	INLAND NORTHWEST	377,188	43.73%
612	PACIFIC HARBORS	8,320,724	27.17%
614	GRAND COLUMBIA	3,726,020	6.82%
615	MOUNTAINEER AREA	4,025,701	13.11%
617	BUCKSKIN	13,012,239	14.53%
619	OHIO RIVER VALLEY	4,367,703	20.50%
620	GLACIER'S EDGE	5,153,735	11.94%
624	GATEWAY AREA	2,236,339	14.67%
627	SAMOSET COUNCIL	10,743,740	6.93%
635	BAY-LAKES	31,099,024	9.25%
636	THREE HARBORS	22,233,793	16.57%
637	CHIPPEWA VALLEY	17,264,851	2.39%
638	GREATER WYOMING	3,642,605	11.14%
640	GREATER NEW YORK	20,904,468	43.05%
651	POTAWATOMI AREA	5,566,628	10.06%
653	GREAT RIVERS	4,709,948	8.92%
660	BLACKHAWK AREA	11,377,873	14.16%
661	PUERTO RICO	7,335,199	3.18%
662	LONGHORN	8,164,294	19.84%
664	SUWANNEE RIVER AREA	1,227,245	18.29%
690	GARDEN STATE	12,925,707	30.10%
691	PUSHMATAHA AREA	615,402	13.63%
694	SOUTH PLAINS	5,094,184	14.82%
695	BLACK HILLS AREA	1,165,843	13.77%
696	MIDNIGHT SUN	9,037,450	11.32%
697	OREGON TRAIL	10,292,948	30.52%
702	RAINBOW	4,150,180	18.31%
713	SEQUOYAH	7,927,595	10.05%
733	SIOUX	4,278,209	12.25%
741	TEXAS SOUTHWEST	1,473,507	15.06%
748	YOCONA AREA	1,951,779	14.91%
763	VIRGINIA HEADWATERS	4,219,511	6.80%
773	GULF COAST	-84,798	-165.96%
775	RIO GRANDE	9,017,746	6.23%
777	WASHINGTON CROSSING	5,831,402	23.84%
780	MICHIGAN CROSSROADS	48,313,436	16.52%
802	TRANSATLANTIC	1,420,880	31.47%
803	FAR EAST	2,986,924	26.06%

Edited September 16, 2021 by CynicalScouter

[Eagle1993]

I think Kosnoff may actually support a plan that does not include CH7 of BSA.  The TCC plan could win a huge vote by claimants; however, I’m not sure if it would be acceptable to the BSA.

 

 

[T2Eagle]

8 hours ago, SiouxRanger said:

1.  On a compulsion theory:  States that have not reopened their statutes of limitation, just might do so in the future-perhaps in response to the proceedings in National's bankruptcy.  Claimants in those states would suddenly have valid, non-time-barred claims.  I don't think that the insurers would be liable for those claims. I just don't see how a bankruptcy court can rewrite contractual obligations. That statutes of limitation were opened in any state amazes me.

 

Neither the court nor the legislature is rewriting any contractual obligations.  Oversimplifying a bit, the contract between the insurer and the insured is to provide indemnification to the insured for the costs of the torts (acts of harm) that they commit during the period of the policy. 

SOLs don't actually cover or not cover that contract between the insured and insurers.  The SOLs cover two DIFFERENT parties, the insured and the victim of their tort.

The insured and insurers could write a policy that limits coverage based on when a claim is made or on possible changes in the law.  SOLs change in both directions, if not frequently at least in some manner forseeably, usually every few decades.  If a legislature shortens the SOL, a fairly common occurrence when doing "tort reform", nobody expects that insurance companies will recalculate past premiums and offer reimbursements based on their now lower risk of having to pay claims.   That insurance companies might misprice their risk is , well, their risk.  It is part of the reason that they themselves purchase reinsurance.  

[CynicalScouter]

59 minutes ago, ThenNow said:

I hope this will be the open door to see the mysterious BRG Dashboards. That’s all I want for Christmas. Strike that. Halloween. It would be the best sweet treat and it’s closer.

Just using the BSA's own data, not the BRG Dashboards, the LC offers are going to prove infuriating for a lot of victims.

Total Assets as claimed by LCs and posted in the BSA Plan documents. MOST Councils are only contributing 14.77% or less of Total Assets

16.13%    Average
14.77%    Median
0.86%    Min (Rocky Mountain)
52.49%    Max (Greater Yosemite)
1    # of councils with % greater than or equal to 50%
3    # of councils with % greater than or equal to 40%
7    # of councils with % greater than or equal to 30%
65    # of councils with % greater than or equal to 20%

Local Council  Number	Local Council Name	Total Assets	% of Total Assets Towards Contribution
1	GREATER ALABAMA	19,912,578	18.51%
3	ALABAMA-FLORIDA	715419	15.98%
4	MOBILE AREA	594174	5.87%
5	TUKABATCHEE AREA	5,451,729	15.28%
6	BLACK WARRIOR	5,138,304	14.95%
10	GRAND CANYON	14,258,716	49.15%
11	CATALINA	4,083,265	26.46%
13	DE SOTO AREA	1150321	11.38%
16	WESTARK AREA	6263480	15.04%
18	QUAPAW AREA	15765787	29.28%
23	GOLDEN GATE AREA	32,533,582	24.59%
27	SEQUOIA	12,138,161	4.68%
30	SOUTHERN SIERRA	1,079,485	13.79%
31	PACIFIC SKYLINE	11,007,880	26.39%
32	LONG BEACH AREA	13,318,021	32.00%
33	GREATER LOS ANGELES	55,232,268	14.48%
35	MARIN	5,451,329	18.90%
39	ORANGE COUNTY	50,317,744	25.85%
41	REDWOOD EMPIRE	2,056,893	9.59%
42	PIEDMONT 042	8,751,419	6.18%
45	CALIFORNIA INLAND EMPIRE	4,428,076	26.07%
47	GOLDEN EMPIRE	9,489,572	13.91%
49	SAN DIEGO - IMPERIAL COUNCIL	10,113,517	26.32%
51	WESTERN LOS ANGELES COUNTY	17,586,468	7.11%
53	LOS PADRES	18,254,358	10.05%
55	SILICON VALLEY MONTEREY BAY	46,750,012	21.39%
57	VENTURA COUNTY	2,649,131	12.27%
58	VERDUGO HILLS	7,525,811	12.93%
59	GREATER YOSEMITE	4,190,925	52.49%
60	PIKES PEAK	10,322,461	16.65%
61	DENVER AREA	58,634,253	10.23%
62	LONGS PEAK COUNCIL	11,484,574	25.57%
63	ROCKY MOUNTAIN	1,331,621	0.86%
66	CONNECTICUT RIVERS	14,415,372	28.32%
67	GREENWICH	10,547,986	7.61%
69	HOUSATONIC	1,680,092	14.04%
70	OLD NORTH STATE	17,154,429	27.79%
72	CONNECTICUT YANKEE	13,145,103	19.64%
81	DEL-MAR-VA	20,434,084	10.97%
82	NATIONAL CAPITAL AREA	46,856,064	17.07%
83	CENTRAL FLORIDA	12,066,557	10.15%
84	SOUTH FLORIDA COUNCIL	22,662,167	13.96%
85	GULF STREAM	6,812,152	17.18%
87	NORTH FLORIDA	21,202,053	24.93%
88	SOUTHWEST FLORIDA	15,558,413	13.64%
89	GREATER TAMPA BAY AREA	23,031,471	26.28%
91	CHATTAHOOCHEE	9,190,223	10.21%
92	ATLANTA AREA	95,546,679	8.37%
93	GEORGIA-CAROLINA	3,575,632	9.12%
95	FLINT RIVER	8,663,265	8.84%
96	CENTRAL GEORGIA	2,332,493	12.84%
98	SOUTH GEORGIA	2,949,440	14.79%
99	COASTAL GEORGIA	18,465,076	14.00%
100	NORTHWEST GEORGIA	3,861,850	20.77%
101	NORTHEAST GEORGIA	14,505,454	14.74%
104	ALOHA	14,948,504	8.95%
106	MOUNTAIN WEST	9,042,041	22.34%
107	GRAND TETON	7,639,617	14.28%
117	PRAIRIELANDS	2,912,207	16.05%
127	THREE FIRES	10,808,277	14.81%
129	NORTHEAST ILLINOIS	15,031,911	14.57%
133	ILLOWA	4,612,868	16.99%
138	W.D. BOYCE	5,378,244	19.43%
141	MISSISSIPPI VALLEY	7,644,245	12.94%
144	ABRAHAM LINCOLN	13,482,207	11.63%
145	HOOSIER TRAILS	4,817,279	15.73%
156	BUFFALO TRACE	4,562,416	12.13%
157	ANTHONY WAYNE AREA	7,656,813	17.11%
160	CROSSROADS OF AMERICA	55,507,464	7.79%
162	SAGAMORE	9,153,595	12.55%
165	LASALLE	6,703,293	19.68%
172	HAWKEYE AREA	2,693,590	16.58%
173	WINNEBAGO	3,382,099	21.38%
177	MID-IOWA	20,463,088	12.23%
178	NORTHEAST IOWA COUNCIL	4,181,266	16.22%
192	CORONADO AREA	6,150,837	13.93%
194	SANTA FE TRAIL	2,212,324	9.19%
197	JAYHAWK AREA	9,627,563	3.59%
198	QUIVIRA	7,297,473	13.36%
204	BLUE GRASS	2,266,012	4.87%
205	LINCOLN HERITAGE	29,841,576	12.17%
209	CALCASIEU	2,760,271	16.02%
211	ISTROUMA AREA	4,747,402	14.32%
212	EVANGELINE AREA	2,544,048	6.60%
213	LOUISIANA PURCHASE	5,251,829	22.23%
214	SOUTHEAST LOUISIANA	6,560,573	28.62%
215	NORWELA	13,750,847	21.36%
216	KATAHDIN AREA	6,970,334	3.95%
218	PINE TREE	7,823,761	11.55%
220	BALTIMORE AREA	17,931,129	24.08%
221	MASON-DIXON	6,306,010	5.49%
224	CAPE COD & ISLANDS	6,378,619	13.23%
227	SPIRIT OF ADVENTURE	14,917,180	25.75%
230	HEART OF NEW ENGLAND	5,532,421	25.42%
234	WESTERN MASSACHUSETTS	3,031,128	21.94%
250	NORTHERN STAR	99,707,945	7.24%
251	MAYFLOWER	25,862,223	19.47%
283	TWIN VALLEY	4,606,506	17.02%
286	VOYAGEURS AREA	2,069,048	24.66%
296	CENTRAL MINNESOTA	6,127,727	4.52%
299	GAMEHAVEN	3,021,922	10.64%
302	CHOCTAW AREA	4,231,597	12.27%
303	ANDREW JACKSON	8,864,895	17.06%
304	PINE BURR AREA	3,650,169	9.04%
306	OZARK TRAILS	10,578,097	21.19%
307	HEART OF AMERICA	52,328,775	13.32%
311	PONY EXPRESS	7,944,161	12.78%
312	GREATER ST. LOUIS AREA	96,778,145	8.25%
315	MONTANA	41,203,245	7.72%
322	OVERLAND TRAILS	3,116,257	15.05%
324	CORNHUSKER	6,254,651	5.69%
326	MID-AMERICA	32,190,576	13.30%
328	LAS VEGAS AREA	14,102,491	24.01%
329	NEVADA AREA	12,390,937	20.23%
330	DANIEL WEBSTER	19,476,340	18.10%
333	NORTHERN NEW JERSEY	11,114,215	27.57%
341	JERSEY SHORE	2,913,739	13.25%
347	MONMOUTH	12,660,150	25.05%
358	PATRIOTS' PATH	15,680,767	23.62%
364	TWIN RIVERS	7,531,513	34.46%
368	BADEN POWELL	5,625,879	24.38%
373	LONGHOUSE	3,725,584	22.57%
375	FIVE RIVERS	4,254,333	19.56%
376	IROQUOIS TRAIL	1,993,314	17.18%
380	GREATER NIAGARA FRONTIER	6,520,513	23.58%
382	ALLEGHENY HIGHLANDS	3,074,139	29.26%
386	THEODORE ROOSEVELT	13,805,356	28.90%
388	GREATER HUDSON VALLEY	23,795,547	26.76%
397	SENECA WATERWAYS	28,069,550	28.50%
400	LEATHERSTOCKING	17,201,532	26.12%
404	SUFFOLK COUNTY	6,208,903	27.67%
405	RIP VAN WINKLE	1,313,638	18.27%
412	GREAT SOUTHWEST	4,594,667	2.54%
413	CONQUISTADOR	38,043,584	5.13%
414	DANIEL BOONE	8,899,599	7.38%
415	MECKLENBURG COUNTY	19,390,150	15.06%
416	CENTRAL NORTH CAROLINA	9,008,835	20.43%
420	PIEDMONT 420	14,658,340	19.01%
421	OCCONEECHEE	13,156,062	14.79%
424	TUSCARORA	5,123,596	16.76%
425	CAPE FEAR	6,890,279	15.16%
426	EAST CAROLINA	9,501,636	20.43%
427	OLD HICKORY	6,308,646	17.19%
429	NORTHERN LIGHTS	16,465,347	11.63%
433	GREAT TRAIL	16,907,129	18.09%
436	BUCKEYE	13,745,788	19.02%
438	DAN BEARD	22,655,593	17.94%
439	TECUMSEH	3,846,301	16.99%
440	LAKE ERIE	22,615,222	28.95%
441	SIMON KENTON	13,135,375	20.25%
444	MIAMI VALLEY	7,198,317	17.44%
449	BLACK SWAMP AREA	14,242,807	11.80%
456	PATHWAY TO ADVENTURE	27,707,864	26.08%
460	ERIE SHORES	26,908,562	15.46%
467	MUSKINGUM VALLEY	3,879,666	13.23%
468	ARBUCKLE AREA	6,537,531	8.76%
469	CHEROKEE AREA	5,808,642	5.43%
474	CIMARRON	2,410,343	11.73%
480	LAST FRONTIER	25,527,916	14.28%
488	INDIAN NATIONS	41,308,670	6.38%
491	CRATER LAKE COUNCIL	2,604,805	12.30%
492	CASCADE PACIFIC	56,027,991	17.85%
497	JUNIATA VALLEY	3,815,348	11.05%
500	MORAINE TRAILS	9,333,560	12.82%
501	NORTHEASTERN PENNSYLVANIA	3,974,918	17.29%
502	MINSI TRAILS	16,747,032	15.41%
504	COLUMBIA-MONTOUR	1,894,648	13.77%
509	BUCKTAIL	1,953,730	13.36%
512	WESTMORELAND-FAYETTE	6,198,755	22.06%
524	PENNSYLVANIA DUTCH	9,102,255	11.58%
525	CRADLE OF LIBERTY	27,616,840	24.65%
527	LAUREL HIGHLANDS	40,683,547	14.68%
528	HAWK MOUNTAIN	10,178,203	16.07%
532	FRENCH CREEK	5,364,589	13.04%
533	SUSQUEHANNA	3,587,642	12.65%
538	CHIEF CORNPLANTER	1,399,374	18.65%
539	CHESTER COUNTY	15,169,823	10.28%
544	NEW BIRTH OF FREEDOM	13,761,452	19.72%
546	NARRAGANSETT	35,185,358	18.30%
549	PALMETTO	3,162,807	5.25%
550	COASTAL CAROLINA	1,085,825	19.98%
551	BLUE RIDGE	7,343,899	14.42%
552	PEE DEE AREA	6,073,386	14.64%
553	INDIAN WATERS	4,757,099	11.70%
556	CHEROKEE AREA	2,847,253	41.44%
557	GREAT SMOKY MOUNTAIN	11,307,271	10.56%
558	CHICKASAW	16,381,842	12.49%
559	WEST TENNESSEE AREA	1,224,135	11.48%
560	MIDDLE TENNESSEE	44,169,062	8.12%
561	TEXAS TRAILS	3,794,328	16.54%
562	GOLDEN SPREAD	15,139,557	14.09%
564	CAPITOL AREA	51,198,378	8.20%
567	BUFFALO TRAIL	5,195,212	22.11%
571	CIRCLE TEN	92,482,329	8.64%
573	YUCCA	2,401,376	28.49%
574	BAY AREA	6,455,199	15.80%
576	SAM HOUSTON AREA	179,837,619	4.43%
577	SOUTH TEXAS	6,464,055	5.77%
578	THREE RIVERS	4,303,350	18.65%
583	ALAMO AREA	29,694,406	14.28%
584	CADDO AREA	2,565,301	19.73%
585	EAST TEXAS AREA	8,040,839	18.73%
587	NORTHWEST TEXAS	3,710,167	14.27%
590	CROSSROADS OF THE WEST	45,567,175	9.69%
592	GREEN MOUNTAIN	3,096,700	25.92%
595	COLONIAL VIRGINIA	1,534,300	22.63%
596	TIDEWATER	3,686,215	16.86%
598	SHENANDOAH AREA	2,073,423	9.10%
599	BLUE RIDGE MOUNTAINS	8,023,593	9.21%
602	HEART OF VIRGINIA	15,314,128	13.50%
604	BLUE MOUNTAIN	2,920,168	23.05%
606	MOUNT BAKER	11,625,345	18.49%
609	CHIEF SEATTLE	43,454,457	17.30%
610	GREAT ALASKA	16,395,019	3.53%
611	INLAND NORTHWEST	810,065	20.36%
612	PACIFIC HARBORS	8,650,963	26.13%
614	GRAND COLUMBIA	3,835,193	6.63%
615	MOUNTAINEER AREA	4,337,617	12.17%
617	BUCKSKIN	13,379,609	14.13%
619	OHIO RIVER VALLEY	5,000,790	17.91%
620	GLACIER'S EDGE	6,390,151	9.63%
624	GATEWAY AREA	2,890,007	11.35%
627	SAMOSET COUNCIL	11,125,928	6.70%
635	BAY-LAKES	33,752,492	8.52%
636	THREE HARBORS	22,668,395	16.26%
637	CHIPPEWA VALLEY	17,561,002	2.35%
638	GREATER WYOMING	3,840,910	10.57%
640	GREATER NEW YORK	23,452,823	38.37%
651	POTAWATOMI AREA	5,966,391	9.39%
653	GREAT RIVERS	5,013,663	8.38%
660	BLACKHAWK AREA	12,013,480	13.41%
661	PUERTO RICO	7,880,451	2.96%
662	LONGHORN	9,365,146	17.29%
664	SUWANNEE RIVER AREA	1,933,711	11.61%
690	GARDEN STATE	13,424,115	28.98%
691	PUSHMATAHA AREA	695,144	12.07%
694	SOUTH PLAINS	5,303,245	14.24%
695	BLACK HILLS AREA	1,511,049	10.63%
696	MIDNIGHT SUN	9,221,520	11.10%
697	OREGON TRAIL	10,616,741	29.59%
702	RAINBOW	4,531,546	16.77%
713	SEQUOYAH	10,129,538	7.87%
733	SIOUX	5,192,862	10.10%
741	TEXAS SOUTHWEST	1,598,832	13.88%
748	YOCONA AREA	2,116,118	13.76%
763	VIRGINIA HEADWATERS	5,185,695	5.54%
773	GULF COAST	409,791	34.34%
775	RIO GRANDE	9,742,319	5.77%
777	WASHINGTON CROSSING	6,453,392	21.54%
780	MICHIGAN CROSSROADS	67,087,721	11.90%
802	TRANSATLANTIC	1,629,782	27.44%
803	FAR EAST	3,060,397	25.43%

Edited September 16, 2021 by CynicalScouter

[1980Scouter]

As far as LC's contribution,  if they would come up with a plan where each LC gets to keep ONE camp and 6 months operating funds where everything else goes to the settlement I think it would fly with no problem. Get rid of council offices too. With technology today a central office is not necessary.  Some staff could work out of the camp or from home.  

[CynicalScouter]

1 minute ago, 1980Scouter said:

As far as LC's contribution,  if they would come up with a plan where each LC gets to keep ONE camp and 6 months operating funds where everything else goes to the settlement I think it would fly with no problem

The TCC's plan was even more generous in a way

1) They hired professionals to estimate the number of camps, based on utilization rates and travel distances. Some councils will go down to 0 camps, others will be untouched.

2) Two years operating funds will be left in savings.

3) Everything else goes to the victims settlement fund.

[Eagle1970]

8 hours ago, SiouxRanger said:

This one puzzling aspect of the bankruptcy:  time barred claims being given any consideration whatsoever.

I don't believe that the bankruptcy judge can make time-barred claims viable again.  If the SOL has expired, time-barred claims are barred, and that is it, that is, at least as a matter of judicial compulsion.

Having no legal interest in the bankruptcy proceeding, they do not have standing, and should have no vote. (Hence, my belief that claims should be vetted for viability prior to any vote.)

Insurance companies won't support any payment by them to time-barred claimants.  Insurance companies rely heavily on statues of limitation and whether the policy coverage type is claims-made or occurrence, and set premiums accordingly.  To change policy terms after losses have been incurred (AFTER the result is known-vision is 20/20 in hindsight) and thereby obligate the insurers to pay claims which could never have been in the the formula for setting premiums and policy levels in the first place, is an unconstitutional taking of property without just compensation, in my opinion .  Judge:  "You agreed to build a 300 foot chain link fence for $5,000, but now that your customer is in bankruptcy, I am ordering you to build a 1,400 foot fence for the same money.  Welcome to bankruptcy court."

 

On the other hand, from a marketing perspective from National's point of view, National wants to appear that it is working to "equitably compensate survivors" it includes time-barred claimants in its Plan.  "Hey, look- National is fighting for us-we are included in the Plan!"

Well, there are several aspects to this:

1.  National does not care how many claimants end up receiving an award.  National's interest is in how much does National have to pay.  Whether paid to one claimant, or 82,500 is of no concern to National.

 

Very well laid out. 

Though I am time-barred, I can assure the court that I have only recently, as a result of THIS process, realized the psychological damage my abuser has caused in my life.  I was always aware it had impacted me, but thought I could live with it.  Only now have I realized just how damaged I am, as a result of the actions of my abuser.  For all of these years, I have been going through the motions of living, being the tough guy and acting like I was ok.  Divorces-everybody has them.  Drinking-everybody does that.  But at age 65, this case has made me aware that I am not ok.  Maybe that tolls the SOL or maybe it doesn't.  Frankly, I don't care.  But I will say this:  I can find nothing more evil than should the BSA turn its back on traumatized victims after finally taking accountability and asking us to come forward as older men.  My proof, which was clearly indicated to be "confidential" has already been shared with my local council's insurance representatives (and who knows who else).  I just find it hard to fathom that this process would seek to destroy victims and then leave them hung out to dry.  Perhaps I should have known.

[johnsch322]

10 minutes ago, CynicalScouter said:

The TCC's plan was even more generous in a way

1) They hired professionals to estimate the number of camps, based on utilization rates and travel distances. Some councils will go down to 0 camps, others will be untouched.

2) Two years operating funds will be left in savings.

3) Everything else goes to the victims settlement fund.

When they made this statement in a Town Hall  they also mentioned they wanted BSA to survive.  

[CynicalScouter]

1 minute ago, Eagle1970 said:

My proof, which was clearly indicated to be "confidential" has already been shared with my local council's insurance representatives (and who knows who else). 

Except and this was something that came up in the context of one proof of claim that led to a scout leader being arrested, that "confidentiality" did not mean "absolutely no one will see it".

In fact, the claims statement specified that it would be shared with Local Councils and their insurance reps

Quote

Unless you indicate below, your identity and your Sexual Abuse Survivor Proof of Claim will be kept confidential, under seal, and outside the public record. However, information in this Sexual Abuse Survivor Proof of Claim will be confidentially provided, pursuant to Court-approved guidelines, to the Debtors, the Debtors’ counsel and retained advisors, certain insurers of BSA, the Tort Claimants’ Committee, counsel to the Ad Hoc Committee of Local Councils (with personally identifiable information redacted), individual Local Councils solely with respect to Sexual Abuse Claims asserted against them, attorneys at the Office of the United States Trustee for the District of Delaware, the Future Claimants’ Representative, the Court, and confidentially to such other persons that the Court determines need the information in order to evaluate the claim. Information in this Sexual Abuse Survivor Proof of Claim may be required to be disclosed to governmental authorities under mandatory reporting laws in many jurisdictions.

 

[CynicalScouter]

4 minutes ago, johnsch322 said:

When they made this statement in a Town Hall  they also mentioned they wanted BSA to survive.  

Er, sorta. I believe the term that was used was "agnostic". They are not actively looking to kill BSA, they just want maximum benefit to survivors. If that means a live BSA great. If a dead BSA gets them more benefit, great.

Edited September 16, 2021 by CynicalScouter

[johnsch322]

4 minutes ago, Eagle1970 said:

Very well laid out. 

Though I am time-barred, I can assure the court that I have only recently, as a result of THIS process, realized the psychological damage my abuser has caused in my life.  I was always aware it had impacted me, but thought I could live with it.  Only now have I realized just how damaged I am, as a result of the actions of my abuser.  For all of these years, I have been going through the motions of living, being the tough guy and acting like I was ok.  Divorces-everybody has them.  Drinking-everybody does that.  But at age 65, this case has made me aware that I am not ok.  Maybe that tolls the SOL or maybe it doesn't.  Frankly, I don't care.  But I will say this:  I can find nothing more evil than should the BSA turn its back on traumatized victims after finally taking accountability and asking us to come forward as older men.  My proof, which was clearly indicated to be "confidential" has already been shared with my local council's insurance representatives (and who knows who else).  I just find it hard to fathom that this process would seek to destroy victims and then leave them hung out to dry.  Perhaps I should have known.

The largest gain as far as my life goes will be the realization thru this process that I am not the only one who was abused and I cannot continue my journey of life without help.  I can definitely say I am in a much better space today then I was two years ago.  I hope you are seeking the help that we all need and ultimately getting the financial compensation that we all deserve.

[ThenNow]

53 minutes ago, CynicalScouter said:

Just using the BSA's own data, not the BRG Dashboards, the LC offers are going to prove infuriating for a lot of victims.

Total Assets as claimed by LCs and posted in the BSA Plan documents. MOST Councils are only contributing 14.77% or less of Total Assets

Precisely. Release the Infuriator. Please. 

[CynicalScouter]

Notice of Hearing on TCC's Motion to delay (at least 2 weeks) the September 21 hearing on the Plan 5.0. That hearing will take place at 10am.

IF approved, the hearing on the Plan 5.0 will be delayed to some date the judge picks.

IF rejected, we go straight into discussion of Plan 5.0 with a follow-up hearings on September 23.

https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/1ec1ae95-cc39-4ccc-ba30-b48676e507c8_6238.pdf

[ThenNow]

1 hour ago, ThenNow said:

Precisely. Release the Infuriator. Please. 

I waited to long to edit this, but had a note to add.

The Monster to which I refer, of course, is the BRG Dashboard data. If we are to get full leverage out of the TCCs informed position on the true inadequacy of the LC contributions, we claimants (and all parties) need to see those numbers. It’s bad enough based on the numbers you’ve posted above. At some point, doesn’t honor come into play? If they’re refutable, refute away AFTER they are released. If they’re sound, go back to the drawing board and get trustworthy, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. (Nod to Yul Brynnar.)

[fred8033]

18 hours ago, CynicalScouter said:

It was always, always, always a hard legal sell as to why the LCs (who are neither debtors nor creditors in the BSA bankruptcy) should be able to use BSA's bankruptcy to solve or resolve claims against the LCs. That has been one of the longest running objections and one of the main ones lodged by the U.S. Trustee.

If the LCs want to be protected from past claims, they should be filing their own bankruptcies, not trying to climb aboard BSA's.

Why should a victim have his claims against the LCs voided/prohibited from going into state court if the LCs are not the ones in their own bankruptcies? How is that due process? Etc.

Disastrous? Maybe. But it was always a hard case to make why the LCs should get their claims released as part of this process.

 

I'm still trying to understand why LCs would kick in the money if there is a strong question whether they will really be protected or honored.  I'd be concerned that the money is gone and not retractable if the protection falls thru.  

LC protection seems like it will be litigated for years.  I know I've read the arguments about being protected.  BUT, ... if some judge says ... "it's not legal" ... the protection is gone and the money is already gone.

Ummm ... so much for a ruling thread vs a non-legalese thread.