ccjj Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) A couple of units here in Mid-Michigan that had a United Methodist Church as a sponsor were dropped effective yesterday. Now they are scrambling to find a new CO and place to meet. ccjj Edited July 29, 2021 by ccjj spelling error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeptic Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 On 7/26/2021 at 1:10 PM, yknot said: We've been discussing this somewhere else, too, although I can't remember where. Our state conference is telling Methodist churches not to charter or recharter prior to Dec. 31 as they are investigating what to do. It appears they will simply shift to the facilities use agreement although I found it interesting that the wording seems to have changed slightly over the past few weeks. Instead of saying sign the facilities agreement instead of recharter, they now seem to be saying don't do anything at all just yet. We need to clarify that there are now two groups of Methodists, and they are not in agreement. However, the traditional support of Scouting, the Methodist Mens' group, still supports the program. Please be aware of this. See this FB group. https://www.facebook.com/MethodistScouting/photos/a.128216575250845/582219489850549 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle69 Posted August 3, 2021 Author Share Posted August 3, 2021 On 8/2/2021 at 12:00 PM, skeptic said: We need to clarify that there are now two groups of Methodists, and they are not in agreement. However, the traditional support of Scouting, the Methodist Mens' group, still supports the program. Please be aware of this. See this FB group. https://www.facebook.com/MethodistScouting/photos/a.128216575250845/582219489850549 There is still only 1 Official Methodist Church, anything else is just a part of the chatter that is been going on for awhile and has yet to be voted on. I suspect that a change where there are two groups, Progressives and Traditionalists, may come about, but it hasn't yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yknot Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 31 minutes ago, Eagle69 said: There is still only 1 Official Methodist Church, anything else is just a part of the chatter that is been going on for awhile and has yet to be voted on. I suspect that a change where there are two groups, Progressives and Traditionalists, may come about, but it hasn't yet. I think what he is referring to is the conservative/liberal split within the Methodist church, which is occuring both inside and outside of the US. Many other denominations are having similar issues. It's still basically the UMC though right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagledad Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 30 minutes ago, yknot said: I think what he is referring to is the conservative/liberal split within the Methodist church, which is occuring both inside and outside of the US. Many other denominations are having similar issues. It's still basically the UMC though right now. Yes, but the United Methodist Men's Foundation group that supports the BSA is not part of the Church leadership that is liberal. So, in a sense, there are two groups. While the leadership isn't directly involved with the church BSA support, they wouldn't mind if that part of the program fell by waste side. Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtcchokie92 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 (edited) Not the Methodists, but our current CO let the Pack and Troop know two weeks ago that they would not recharter our two units. As we started to look at other churches to support us, we were rejected by the Presbyterian Church and they were getting their marching orders from the PCA at National level. There are rumors that other denominations are considering the same thing. We do have one of our Girl Troops that just received their notice from the United Methodist Church that sponsors them and told them they would no longer charter the Troop. Edited August 22, 2021 by vtcchokie92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CynicalScouter Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Yep precisely because this issue won’t be resolved by December 31, 2021 (recharter deadline) and for many even if it is resolved the COs are now absolutely scared of what comes next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtcchokie92 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 And the sad part is that the Council, at least ours, is pretending as though they do not have any contingency plans. If the denominations pull the rug out soon, which is likely, the Councils need to have a plan. Ours has its head in the sand (or somewhere else). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjohns2 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, vtcchokie92 said: And the sad part is that the Council, at least ours, is pretending as though they do not have any contingency plans. If the denominations pull the rug out soon, which is likely, the Councils need to have a plan. The plan seems pretty simple. The Methodists have said that Scouts can still meet there. So, the council charters the units using the new "council charter" option. The units continue as though nothing changed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtcchokie92 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Just now, mrjohns2 said: The plan seems pretty simple. The Methodists have said that Scouts can still meet there. So, the council charters the units using the new "council charter" option. The units continue as though nothing changed. Our council has no plan to do that nor do they have a mechanism according to our Executive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CynicalScouter Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, vtcchokie92 said: Our council has no plan to do that nor do they have a mechanism according to our Executive For an organization who has be prepared as a slogan there is a massive disconnect somewhere along that line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yknot Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 18 minutes ago, mrjohns2 said: The plan seems pretty simple. The Methodists have said that Scouts can still meet there. So, the council charters the units using the new "council charter" option. The units continue as though nothing changed. Some COs are not even interested in the facilities use agreement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred8033 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 hours ago, yknot said: Some COs are not even interested in the facilities use agreement. Makes sense. The relationships were always very loose. Why misrepresent it with something formal that is written? Most charter orgs were just being supportive of the community. They can still do that without signing an agreement (aka a contract). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjohns2 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 12 hours ago, vtcchokie92 said: Our council has no plan to do that nor do they have a mechanism according to our Executive It is a national mechanism on the national forms site. So, your SE is either not telling the truth or ignorant of the alternative process. Annual Council Unit Registration Agreement https://www.scouting.org/resources/forms/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CynicalScouter Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, mrjohns2 said: It is a national mechanism on the national forms site. So, your SE is either not telling the truth or ignorant of the alternative process. Er, sorta. What I was told was that Councils have the OPTION to take on the role of CO via the Annual Council Unit Registration Agreement. Perhaps that's what is meant: "we COULD do this, but we have absolutely no intention on doing so". Now, I cannot imagine a council not wanting to if the alternative is losing the unit outright, but the Council cannot be forced to do so. But maybe there are such councils out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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