ThenNow Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) From a friend of mine. (Sorry for the large font!) “Whoa! This is new and significant...” https://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,4534,7-359--560927--,00.html Edited December 23, 2021 by RememberSchiff reduced font 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muttsy Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 This is a big whoa! Let’s hope it spreads to other states quickly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CynicalScouter Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, ThenNow said: From a friend of mine. (Sorry for the large font!) “Whoa! This is new and significant...” https://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,4534,7-359--560927--,00.html The PA Attorney General's office did a something similar for the Catholic Church/Dioceses in PA. The grand jury report that came out was nothing short of horrifying. https://www.attorneygeneral.gov/report/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_jury_investigation_of_Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_in_Pennsylvania In answer to the inevitable question: no, no one got arrested in PA as a result. No one got indicted either. But this potentially makes the Michigan AG an interested party to the bankruptcy, especially if the TCC asks for the IV files (at least as to Michigan) to be released. It's one thing for BSA to fight tooth and claw to prevent discovery in a civil proceeding. It is quite another to try and fight an AG subpoena. Edited June 1, 2021 by CynicalScouter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CynicalScouter Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, Muttsy said: This is a big whoa! Let’s hope it spreads to other states quickly. I guess my question is that past a certain point if BSA as an entity is found criminally liable for the abuse and is forced to pay criminal fines if that is just going to put it right out of business. To my knowledge (as in applies to people) criminal fines are NOT dischargeable in bankruptcy via Chapter 7 or 13, meaning BSA could be fined right out of existence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThenNow Posted June 1, 2021 Author Share Posted June 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, Muttsy said: This is a big whoa! Let’s hope it spreads to other states quickly. My friend is not an attorney, but his profession is to watch major business-related machinations with hawk eyes. He's deep into the BSA case from all angles. I'll ask what he thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThenNow Posted June 1, 2021 Author Share Posted June 1, 2021 1 hour ago, ThenNow said: https://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,4534,7-359--560927--,00.html I wonder if seeing Michigan Crossroads at the top of the LC list for most claims caught their attention or if this has been long bubblin' in the percolator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpurlee Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 The Michigan Crossroads council was the second largest council in the nation. If I recall, it is a merger of several Michigan councils a few years ago. I think that the number one council in size was Utah National Parks and the third largest was Great Salt lake Council, both of those two are in heavily LDS areas. I suspect that the Michigan Crossroads Council is probably now the largest council in America, probably by several thousand Scouts. Just because of sheer membership numbers, it would not be unexpected that they would have a large number of claims. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThenNow Posted June 1, 2021 Author Share Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, gpurlee said: Just because of sheer membership numbers, it would not be unexpected that they would have a large number of claims. I understand that statistically, but I doubt the AG has that data. It is more the impression of the thing, than the substance I was noting. Just wondering out loud. If the XYZ family has the most absentee days on the school roster on the hallway bulletin board, unless you know they're Irish Catholic farmers with 15 kids it looks dicey. Btw, I'm Irish Catholic from farm country so I can say that. Edited June 1, 2021 by ThenNow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 12 hours ago, ThenNow said: I wonder if seeing Michigan Crossroads at the top of the LC list for most claims caught their attention or if this has been long bubblin' in the percolator. They did the same with the Catholic Church. I expect they will start with search warrants soon. You will see pictures of agents going into all scout offices and pulling files out. The good news is that I expect leaders and anyone who covered it up to be charged and probably go to prison. Michigan charged a priest for assaults dating back to the 1970s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThenNow Posted June 2, 2021 Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Eagle1993 said: They did the same with the Catholic Church. I expect they will start with search warrants soon. You will see pictures of agents going into all scout offices and pulling files out. The good news is that I expect leaders and anyone who covered it up to be charged and probably go to prison. Michigan charged a priest for assaults dating back to the 1970s. Since I'm not familiar with the other cases or the Michigan AG's motive and politics, I'm very curious how/why this is happening in this time and space. From my experience in other businesses and top level insurance brokerage through my wife, these are often political animals looking for a crusade to win. I'd love the backstory, if anyone has insight. I recognize this could be a 100% justice motivated and that would be great. I guess it doesn't really matter. I'm glad it's being done, yet curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 14 minutes ago, ThenNow said: Since I'm not familiar with the other cases or the Michigan AG's motive and politics, I'm very curious how/why this is happening in this time and space. From my experience in other businesses and top level insurance brokerage through my wife, these are often political animals looking for a crusade to win. I'd love the backstory, if anyone has insight. I recognize this could be a 100% justice motivated and that would be great. I guess it doesn't really matter. I'm glad it's being done, yet curious. I have to believe MSU and Nasser come to mind. They cannot be caught flat footed again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThenNow Posted June 2, 2021 Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Eagle1993 said: I have to believe MSU and Nasser come to mind. They cannot be caught flat footed again. This is the basis given in the press release. Do you know the reference or is it the bankruptcy? "...to obtain information surrounding sex abuse allegations that came to light during recent civil litigation" Edited June 2, 2021 by ThenNow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThenNow Posted June 2, 2021 Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ThenNow said: This is the basis given in the press release. Do you know the reference or is it the bankruptcy? "...to obtain information surrounding sex abuse allegations that came to light during recent civil litigation" Yup. This is the case: "The investigation was prompted by wide reports of alleged abuse that came to light during the national nonprofit's bankruptcy case, Attorney General Dana Nessel said in a video released by her office." https://www.crainsdetroit.com/news/michigan-ag-state-police-launch-joint-investigation-boy-scouts Edited June 2, 2021 by ThenNow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThenNow Posted June 2, 2021 Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 3 hours ago, Eagle1993 said: They did the same with the Catholic Church. I expect they will start with search warrants soon. You will see pictures of agents going into all scout offices and pulling files out. Who is the lead dog in MI BSA and who will be the front line on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CynicalScouter Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, ThenNow said: Who is the lead dog in MI BSA and who will be the front line on this? Michigan Crossroads. When asked for comment, they shut right up and deferred to BSA National. Every indication is that they (BSA) are playing this off as if the target(s) is/are the ABUSERS, not BSA as a corporate entity. I think some people are deluding themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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