Better4itall Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Has the council thought about transferring the camp to a trust, in a manner similar to Philmont and all at the national level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred8033 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 12 minutes ago, Better4itall said: Has the council thought about transferring the camp to a trust, in a manner similar to Philmont and all at the national level? Good plan to do before you know about pending legal liabilities. Questionable at best once those liabilities are imminent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better4itall Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Hmmm - thanks. But does that mean the HA Camps could be at risk? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better4itall Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 With that perspective, it may be something to consider as part of bankruptcy reorganization or once BSA gets done being pulled through this knothole. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberSchiff Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 On 3/17/2021 at 6:34 AM, Eagle1993 said: I figure we can have a separate thread on a list of bankruptcy losses. This is not speculation of what could happen, but did happen/is happening. From OP, let's stay on topic. Thanks RS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred8033 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, RememberSchiff said: From OP, let's stay on topic. Thanks RS Will do. Edited March 21, 2022 by RememberSchiff 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberSchiff Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Community reacts to plans to close Camp Trexler Both former campers agreed that closing the only Cub Scout overnight camp in the area, will further worsen recruitment issues. “The Cub Scouts won't have a place to go anymore. So, they're gonna have to build a whole other camp just to support the Cub Scouts," said Biichle. “They have a really serious problem at the Cub Scout level, and that's where recruiting happens. Very few kids get involved at age 12 or 13. They get hooked when they're seven or eight, and they continue with it," said Mira. https://fox56.com/news/local/community-reacts-to-the-plans-to-close-of-camp-trexler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2Eagle Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 (edited) I was looking for a camp near Niagara Falls and came across this camp --- and the bad news about it. Doesn't look like we had it on our list yet. Does anyone know any details about whether Camp Stonehaven will still be operating this summer, or about any other good camping near the falls? https://buffalonews.com/news/local/boy-scouts-to-sell-camps-in-niagara-wyoming-counties-to-settle-sex-abuse-claims/article_b39d76f6-3767-11ec-91ea-9bed725c0a09.html Edited March 26, 2022 by T2Eagle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better4itall Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 I'd suggest reaching out to the local council about it - it's possible that it will be acquired by a local/state government or a land trust and continue to operate as a camp, just not BSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACAN Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Is there an astute member of the forum who is keeping track of camp closures/sales and mergers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjohns2 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 2 hours ago, PACAN said: Is there an astute member of the forum who is keeping track of camp closures/sales and mergers? This thread is designed for that. Are you asking for a distilled list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slocumscout Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Since I don't see it mentioned yet, the Narragansett Council is selling Camp Cachalot in Plymouth, MA:http://www.narragansettbsa.org/campsale That's from August; the council recently canceled camping reservations after June 1 with a message to the units who had reservations that it was due to the pending sale, so it sounds like an agreement with the Commonwealth was reached. The understanding among volunteers is that the organization Camp Norse is being sold to is RIBS (the Rhode Island Boy Scouts), which owns the other properties mentioned and leases them to the council, and that RIBS will need to sell between one and four properties to raise the funds to purchase Camp Norse, but so far no one knows which other camps might be sold. The general assumption is that Yawgoog, Norse, and Champlin are safe from sale, as that's where the council is focusing program, but that any of the other properties could be at risk of sale. There is significant overlap between the RIBS board and past and current members of the Narragansett Council board. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjohns2 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 On 3/21/2022 at 8:24 AM, Better4itall said: Has the council thought about transferring the camp to a trust, in a manner similar to Philmont and all at the national level? It is my understanding they took a mortgage out on Philmont. So the value is in the mortgage vs the property. Not really protected, but one can only take the cash vs the land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitiveScouter Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 26 minutes ago, mrjohns2 said: It is my understanding they took a mortgage out on Philmont. So the value is in the mortgage vs the property. Not really protected, but one can only take the cash vs the land. Wonder if you could buy the mortgage on Philmont? Then, when BSA fails, claim the property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACAN Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 @mrjohns2 yes that would be great. I'm guessing there are a lot more closures and mergers out there than listed here. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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