Just Ku Kluxin' Around

[Eagle94-A1]

@David CO, Bet they didn't know you were Catholic. They don't like Catholics either.

[David CO]

1 hour ago, Eagle94-A1 said:

@David CO, Bet they didn't know you were Catholic. They don't like Catholics either.

Yes, they knew I was Catholic.  

 

[Eagle94-A1]

17 hours ago, David CO said:

Yes, they knew I was Catholic.  

WOW! That must have been a first.

[GrubKnot]

I've seen this on a few memes, think it applies here.

"History isn't there for you to like or dislike. It's there for you to learn from it. If it offends you, that's even better, because then you're less likely to repeat it. It's not yours to erase or destroy."

[SiouxRanger]

On 8/26/2021 at 8:43 AM, GrubKnot said:

It's not yours to erase or destroy."

“The moving finger writes; and, having writ, moves on: nor all thy piety nor wit shall lure it back to cancel half a line, nor all thy tears wash out a word of it. -- Omar Khayyam.

 

And to whomever has the poster name of "Just Ku Kluxin Around" you have a beyond offensive poster name. The Ku Klux Klan lynched innocents, yet your name makes it sound like the Klan is a light-hearted, jovial, carefree organization-except they are ruthless killers.  And they made themselves feel empowered by taking on the defenseless.  A pox on your house.

[forrest747]

@SiouxRanger There is no one on this forum with the forum name “Just Ku Kluxin’ Around.”  Most here would call that the title of the thread for this topic.  
 

To enlighten your historical knowledge a bit, “Just Ku Kluxin’ Around” was the title of a recurring column in the Klan’s Houston newspaper (1910s-1920s) “Colonel Mayfield’s Weekly.”  The column reported on that week’s light-hearted, jovial Klan activities.  An historical reference in the historical sub-forum seems entirely appropriate, but feel free to take umbrage if that helps to advance your own interests.
 

Your description of “ruthless killers who feel empowered to kill the defenseless” perfectly describes a recent drone attack that killed the ENTIRE family of a U.N. worker in Afghanistan who brought home water bottles for his family.   BTW,  not done by the Ku Klux Klan.  That was done by the good old U. S. of A. who were “Just Ku Kluxin’ Around,” I guess.  

 

[Eagle1993]

14 minutes ago, forrest747 said:

That was done by the good old U. S. of A. who were “Just Ku Kluxin’ Around,” I guess.  

There is no moral equivalence between our US military possibly killing innocent people when targeting groups who are our enemy and the Ku Klux Klan who bombed churches because black people worship there.   Take that crap somewhere else. 

[qwazse]

Let’s all stop thinking the worst of one another and roll back the last three posts.

@SiouxRanger’s wishing contagion on the innocents among an adversary’s family is unacceptable ad hominem (even if no such man exists), and as we see, opened the gate to taking umbrage in kind.

1. Think well of one another.
2. Read twice before replying.
3. Ask clarification rather than denounce.
4. Make only one point, send, sleep on he other.

[SiouxRanger]

16 hours ago, forrest747 said:

Your description of “ruthless killers who feel empowered to kill the defenseless” perfectly describes a recent drone attack that killed the ENTIRE family of a U.N. worker in Afghanistan who brought home water bottles for his family.   BTW,  not done by the Ku Klux Klan.  That was done by the good old U. S. of A. who were “Just Ku Kluxin’ Around,” I guess.

Try selling that slop to the family of Emmett Till.

 

That there is even a thread named, "Just Ku Kluxin' Around" is extremely offensive and totally unacceptable. Period.

 

That slaughter is practiced elsewhere, does not make slaughter here acceptable.

[SiouxRanger]

This might bog you down for a bit.

 

Exodus 34:6-7a

6 Then the Lord passed by in front of him and proclaimed, “The Lord, the Lord God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in lovingkindness and truth; 7 who keeps lovingkindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations.”

 

Pox:  "small" or "cow?"

 

Are you "Forrest" of "Nathan Bedford Forrest" fame?

[SiouxRanger]

8 hours ago, qwazse said:

Let’s all stop thinking the worst of one another and roll back the last three posts.

@SiouxRanger’s wishing contagion on the innocents among an adversary’s family is unacceptable ad hominem (even if no such man exists), and as we see, opened the gate to taking umbrage in kind.

1. Think well of one another.
2. Read twice before replying.
3. Ask clarification rather than denounce.
4. Make only one point, send, sleep on he other.

ad ho·mi·nem

/ˌad ˈhämənəm/

adjective

(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

"vicious ad hominem attacks"

adverb

1. 

in a way that is directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

"these points come from some of our best information sources, who realize they'll be attacked ad hominem"

2. 

in a way that relates to or is associated with a particular person.

"the office was created ad hominem for Fenton"

 

 

So, I don't think the "ad hominem" fallacy criticism applies.  I attacked the position of the poster, Forrest, and then applied my approbation to his family tree.

 

[HelpfulTracks]

The purpose if this thread is lost on me. 

I understand, and mostly agree, that judging history with a modern moral code can skew history itself. But throughout its history, the klan was out of step with the moral code of its time.  

I was born in the 60's and grew up in the 70's and 80's in Birmingham Al, a hot spot for civil rights strife. I have know klansmen in my life, virtually all hid the fact they were in the klan, which tells me even they knew how heinous their ideas were. I have literally had physical confrontation with them as they attacked my friends. Once I found out someone was in the klan, no amount of good they had done before seemed to be redeeming. Donating to the BSA is not a redeeming quality for the klan. 

That is not to say someone can't redeem themselves. I knew two men in the 80's who were friendly, perhaps even friends, but at least civil and cordial. One had lost his daughter in the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing, the other was a white police officer who was infamous for a photo of him holding a dog that was attacking a black protestor. The events of the time changed both men. Individual redemption is possible and laudable, but I don't see any way for an organization whose entire existence was dedicated to the subjugation of people. 

Whatever this thread is about, it feels like glorification or at least applauding of the very little "good" an evil group may have done. 

Edited September 17, 2021 by HelpfulTracks

[SiouxRanger]

There is NO WAY anyone will persuade me that the title "Just Ku Kluxin Around" is anything but shining a jovial, light-hearted touch on racism.

I have represented clients who spoke of their family documents pertaining to their family's ancestor's enslavement.  Or tracing their family tree back to when their ancestors who were slaves and no records exist, to their knowledge. A sobering moment in the course of an office conference. Well, for a naive white boy like me, though slavery was a part of their family history.

 

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Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

And then volunteers of the BSA craft arguments that support the Ku Klux Klan?

 

Anyone here have ever heard of a slight-framed guy named "Korematsu?"

 

(All of the titles above are from my library, which I have read.  Babi Yar twice.  And there are many more not mentioned.)

Edited September 17, 2021 by SiouxRanger
deleted an "e" from Year to read "Yar."

[David CO]

2 hours ago, SiouxRanger said:

There is NO WAY anyone will persuade me that the title "Just Ku Kluxin Around" is anything but shining a jovial, light-hearted touch on racism.

I don't know if that was the OP's intent, but it was certainly the intent of the KKK members who first used that title in their publications.  I can tell you, from first hand experience, that this is exactly how the KKK presents themselves to prospective recruits.

 

[Eagle1993]

2 hours ago, HelpfulTracks said:

 

The purpose if this thread is lost on me. 

 

I think it started with a historical reference but the attempted defense of the Klan crossed a line.

For example, we could talk about the fact that Hezbollah operates the Imam al-Mahdi Scouts which is a member of WOSM.  I think that would be acceptable and an interesting discussion. 

Perhaps some may try and say that see … this is really interesting that they do things other than being terrorists.  That is also fine with me but a careful discussion.  There are a lot of organizations Nazis, al Qaeda, ISIS that I’m sure have done nice things…. but I mean come on.  

Where I think the thread would cross a line would be a defense of Hezbollah the organization.   Perhaps someone can, but I don’t think it would belong in this Forum.
 

I think for the most part this thread about the KKK in scouts stayed in category 1 above and perhaps occasionally slipped into category 2. Where it went bad was an attempt to defend the KKK itself.  

The KKK is a domestic terrorist organization.   There is no defense of the KKK.  Just like other terrorists, they did some good things from time to time, but it doesn’t mean they are not terrorists.