Civil Protest, Policing, Moving Forward

[TAHAWK]

1 hour ago, MattR said:

Maybe you could dig into that a bit. Representative of what? Do they have an organization? An address? Is there a way to ask them a question? A contact page? A FAQ? Is there leadership, ways to solve problems, voting, a way to come to consensus, make decisions, anything that is more than just a hashtag and a vague description of what they want? The answer to all of this is no.

As best I can tell they have a website and a wiki page. The website is very vague and the wiki references web pages that no longer exist on the website. At one point in time the website had a list of 13 guiding principles but that web page no longer exists so any ideas of what BLM stands for has to be gleaned from other pages on the website.

There are currently 16 chapters in the US and 3 in Canada. In order to become a chapter all you have to do is fill out a form and then someone, from somewhere, will get back to you, probably just to make sure you're for real. There are no other requirements.

So, again, what is this representative representing?  With no framework all that's left is what ever anyone wants it to be. It's just an inkblot. The person that said go ahead and pillage and plunder wants it to be a mechanism of revenge. All the people that dislike the term BLM wants it to be evil, so they pick and choose what to respond to. All the people that like the term want it to be a source of good. Since it can be anything to anyone, it's really nothing. Certainly it's nothing to criticize and use to make an argument about.

There's a great article by David Brooks about how radicals bring important problems to light but aren't able to solve them. That requires more pragmatism. So maybe the "BLM representative" that you dislike so much is the radical bringing important problems to light. It's time to move on to someone more important to pay attention to that is more pragmatic.

 

Maybe.  Or maybe not. 

Unlike you (" The answer to all of this is no."),   I have no ready access to information about how BLM Chicago conducts its enterprises.

BLM Chicago has a website, as you say, but the "contact" page lists no street address.  https://www.blacklivesmatterchicago.com/

This website list ten "demands":

1. CLOSE HOMAN SQUARE   - We demand the immediate closing of Homan Square (and all other unknown “black sites”) where over 7,000 people were “disappeared.”

2. CPAC NOW - We demand the immediate implementation of an elected Civilian Police Accountability Council (CPAC) with mandated inclusion of survivors and families of victims of police torture and violence – voted in by each neighborhood. We reject appointees and bourgeois election proposals, which expand the reach of the state to prevent the power of the people.

3. NO COPS IN SCHOOL - Cancel CPD contract with CPS. Fund restorative practices in all schools. Additional social workers and student support personnel in our schools.
Make all schools Sustainable Community Schools.

4. ACCOUNTABILITY FOR POLICE MURDER & TORTURE - We demand immediate firing & prosecution of all police officers & government officials involved in torture, killing and the cover ups of the murders of Pierre Loury & Ronald Johnson. We demand revoking Dante Servin’s pension for the murder of Rekia Boyd & revoking of pensions of all CPD officers who committed torture.

5. JUSTICE FOR ALL KILLED BY POLICE - We demand the name of officers involved in killing anyone in the City of Chicago for the duration of the Chicago Police force. We demand the reopening of all closed cases. We need to know the full breadth of brutality.

6. FIRE MURDEROUS AND ABUSIVE COPS - We demand the immediate firing of CPD officers: Kevin Fry, George Hernandez and Robert Rialmo for the murders of Cedric Chatman, Ronald Johnson, Bettie Jones and Quintonio LeGrier – and we demand criminal charges of murder for each. We demand immediate firing of Officers Murphy and Lopez for brutally beating and tasing Pastor Catherine Brown.

7. END YOUTH INCARCERATION - We demand the immediate closing of the Cook County Juvenile Detention Center, the largest juvenile prison in the country.

8. DEFUND THE POLICE - We demand immediate disinvestment in CPD and a reallocation of the operating funds currently allocated toward policing, which represent 40% of the City’s operating budget and result in $4 million a day spent on policing.

9. INVEST IN COMMUNITY RESOURCES - We demand policing funds be re-invested in our communities through the reopening of the 50 schools closed, reopening of the mental health centers that were closed, housing for the homeless or nearly homeless, funding for crisis centers, free drug treatment and recovery centers, and a jobs program for all who are unemployed or underemployed.

10. RELEASE IMPRISONED JON BURGE TORTURE SURVIVORS - We demand the immediate release of all torture survivors still in prison. Former CPD Commander Jon Burge & his henchmen tortured over 100 Black & Latinos (the youngest known was 13). Some still remain in prison despite the City admitting that they were tortured. Free them now!

Again, Black Lives Matter, Chicago identifies her on its Facebook page ( Facebook.com/BLMChi/videos/our-own-ariel-atkins-speaking-to-the-need-to-freeze-police-budget-with-chicago-t/2583926691653475/ ) as "Our own Ariel Atkins."  the Communist Party, Newsweek, NBC, PBS, Insight Into Diversity , The Daily Northwestern, Parole Illinois, and numerous  media outlets, identified her as speaking for Black lives matter, Chicago.  I merely state facts.  How you react to facts is up to you.    BLM Chicago is free to disown its "own," but I cannot find that they have.  

 

"The Chicago Black Lives Matter organizer who justified looting as “reparation” has doubled down — insisting this week that even calling someone a criminal is 'based on racism.' [Except cops?]

Ariel Atkins told WBEZ that her group '100 percent' supports the violent looters who trashed chunks of the Windy City Monday, again repeating her claim that it is 'reparations.'

'The whole idea of criminality is based on racism anyway,' she told the NPR station.

“Because criminality is punishing people for things that they have needed to do to survive or just the way that society has affected them with white supremacist BS,” she said.

Ariel Atkins, a lead organizer for Black Lives Matter Chicago, leading a protest Monday outside the Chicago Police Department’s District 1 station.
(AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast)

At least 13 cops were injured and 100 people arrested in violent clashes that led to a mostly black community in the troubled South Side to kick out a BLM march the next day.

Atkins attacked Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot — who is black — for calling the looting “straight-up felony, criminal conduct.”

“'t’s like her deciding what is criminal and what isn’t,' Atkins said as she suggested that calling the thieves criminals was itself a form of racism.

“I will support the looters till the end of the day. If that’s what they need to do in order to eat, then that’s what you’ve got to do to eat,' she said of those who even tried to smash their way into a Ronald McDonald House caring for sick children and their families.

Atkins dismissed the idea that civil rights had 'ever gotten wins' from 'peaceful protests.'

'Winning has come through revolts. Winning has come through riots,' she said."

 

18 U.S. Code 2101. Riots

(a) Whoever travels in interstate or foreign commerce or uses any facility of interstate or foreign commerce, including, but not limited to, the mail, telegraph, telephone, radio, or television, with intent

(1) to incite a riot; or
(2) to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot; or
(3) to commit any act of violence in furtherance of a riot; or
(4) to aid or abet any person in inciting or participating in or carrying on a riot or committing any act of violence in furtherance of a riot;

and who either during the course of any such travel or use or thereafter performs or attempts to perform any other overt act for any purpose specified in subparagraph (A), (B), (C), or (D) of this paragraph

Shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
 

 

Edited August 15, 2020 by TAHAWK

[Troop75Eagle]

25 minutes ago, TAHAWK said:

Maybe.  Or maybe not. 

Unlike you (" The answer to all of this is no."),   I have no ready access to information about how BLM Chicago conducts its enterprises.

BLM Chicago has a website, as you say, but the "contact" page lists no street address.  https://www.blacklivesmatterchicago.com/

This website list ten "demands":

1. CLOSE HOMAN SQUARE   - We demand the immediate closing of Homan Square (and all other unknown “black sites”) where over 7,000 people were “disappeared.”

2. CPAC NOW - We demand the immediate implementation of an elected Civilian Police Accountability Council (CPAC) with mandated inclusion of survivors and families of victims of police torture and violence – voted in by each neighborhood. We reject appointees and bourgeois election proposals, which expand the reach of the state to prevent the power of the people.

3. NO COPS IN SCHOOL - Cancel CPD contract with CPS. Fund restorative practices in all schools. Additional social workers and student support personnel in our schools.
Make all schools Sustainable Community Schools.

4. ACCOUNTABILITY FOR POLICE MURDER & TORTURE - We demand immediate firing & prosecution of all police officers & government officials involved in torture, killing and the cover ups of the murders of Pierre Loury & Ronald Johnson. We demand revoking Dante Servin’s pension for the murder of Rekia Boyd & revoking of pensions of all CPD officers who committed torture.

5. JUSTICE FOR ALL KILLED BY POLICE - We demand the name of officers involved in killing anyone in the City of Chicago for the duration of the Chicago Police force. We demand the reopening of all closed cases. We need to know the full breadth of brutality.

6. FIRE MURDEROUS AND ABUSIVE COPS - We demand the immediate firing of CPD officers: Kevin Fry, George Hernandez and Robert Rialmo for the murders of Cedric Chatman, Ronald Johnson, Bettie Jones and Quintonio LeGrier – and we demand criminal charges of murder for each. We demand immediate firing of Officers Murphy and Lopez for brutally beating and tasing Pastor Catherine Brown.

7. END YOUTH INCARCERATION - We demand the immediate closing of the Cook County Juvenile Detention Center, the largest juvenile prison in the country.

8. DEFUND THE POLICE - We demand immediate disinvestment in CPD and a reallocation of the operating funds currently allocated toward policing, which represent 40% of the City’s operating budget and result in $4 million a day spent on policing.

9. INVEST IN COMMUNITY RESOURCES - We demand policing funds be re-invested in our communities through the reopening of the 50 schools closed, reopening of the mental health centers that were closed, housing for the homeless or nearly homeless, funding for crisis centers, free drug treatment and recovery centers, and a jobs program for all who are unemployed or underemployed.

10. RELEASE IMPRISONED JON BURGE TORTURE SURVIVORS - We demand the immediate release of all torture survivors still in prison. Former CPD Commander Jon Burge & his henchmen tortured over 100 Black & Latinos (the youngest known was 13). Some still remain in prison despite the City admitting that they were tortured. Free them now!

Again, Black Lives Matter, Chicago identifies her on its Facebook page ( Facebook.com/BLMChi/videos/our-own-ariel-atkins-speaking-to-the-need-to-freeze-police-budget-with-chicago-t/2583926691653475/ ) as "Our own Ariel Atkins."  the Communist Party, Newsweek, NBC, PBS, Insight Into Diversity , The Daily Northwestern, Parole Illinois, and numerous  media outlets, identified her as speaking for Black lives matter, Chicago.  I merely state facts.  How you react to facts is up to you.    BLM Chicago is free to disown its "own," but I cannot find that they have.  

 

"The Chicago Black Lives Matter organizer who justified looting as “reparation” has doubled down — insisting this week that even calling someone a criminal is 'based on racism.' [Except cops?]

Ariel Atkins told WBEZ that her group '100 percent' supports the violent looters who trashed chunks of the Windy City Monday, again repeating her claim that it is 'reparations.'

'The whole idea of criminality is based on racism anyway,' she told the NPR station.

“Because criminality is punishing people for things that they have needed to do to survive or just the way that society has affected them with white supremacist BS,” she said.

Ariel Atkins, a lead organizer for Black Lives Matter Chicago, leading a protest Monday outside the Chicago Police Department’s District 1 station.
(AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast)

At least 13 cops were injured and 100 people arrested in violent clashes that led to a mostly black community in the troubled South Side to kick out a BLM march the next day.

Atkins attacked Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot — who is black — for calling the looting “straight-up felony, criminal conduct.”

“'t’s like her deciding what is criminal and what isn’t,' Atkins said as she suggested that calling the thieves criminals was itself a form of racism.

“I will support the looters till the end of the day. If that’s what they need to do in order to eat, then that’s what you’ve got to do to eat,' she said of those who even tried to smash their way into a Ronald McDonald House caring for sick children and their families.

Atkins dismissed the idea that civil rights had 'ever gotten wins' from 'peaceful protests.'

'Winning has come through revolts. Winning has come through riots,' she said."

 

18 U.S. Code 2101. Riots

(a) Whoever travels in interstate or foreign commerce or uses any facility of interstate or foreign commerce, including, but not limited to, the mail, telegraph, telephone, radio, or television, with intent

(1) to incite a riot; or
(2) to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot; or
(3) to commit any act of violence in furtherance of a riot; or
(4) to aid or abet any person in inciting or participating in or carrying on a riot or committing any act of violence in furtherance of a riot;

and who either during the course of any such travel or use or thereafter performs or attempts to perform any other overt act for any purpose specified in subparagraph (A), (B), (C), or (D) of this paragraph

Shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
 

 

Well, everything you just mentioned describes a tailor made justification for stand your ground laws, expanded castle doctrine and a host of other defense of self and others from agents of unrepentant chaos.
 

 It’s a fast track to being labeled a domestic terrorist organization and legitimizing repression and even martial  law on an unprecedented scale.  There will be evaporating support and a trail of destroyed businesses and lives that will be brought on by their own choice.  
 

im not sure what such people expect to accomplish by this advocacy but it will not bring about improvement of any kind, only justification of stereotypes and galvanizing law abiding people in pursuit of keeping law and order over a subset of the population.  No matter how these groups shout, the progress and changes gained since 1865 can easily be eclipsed by self inflicted destruction.  There is far more that can be lost than they might allege, as a group.  It’s their choice just as it is the law abiding citizenry’s choice to respond in the most drastic of ways to meet the threat.  Sadly, One can only shrug and say, if that’s you want to play it, so be it.  Two can play at that game.  Overplaying ones hand is a fools errand. 

[TAHAWK]

Meanwhile, in the county to my south:

"Individuals with guns showed up at a teenager’s backyard birthday party in Ohio and opened fire, killing an 8-year-old girl.

It happened around 11:48 p.m. Friday [August August 14, 2020] in Akron at the home of Willie Walker, 62, who was throwing the party for his 15-year-old grandson, according to a report  Saturday.

'All hell broke out,' Walker told the Akron Beacon Journal. 'I don’t know what the hell happened.'

Saturday afternoon, Akron police identified the girl as Mikayla Pickett. Spokesman Lt. Michael Miller told Fox News in an email there were no arrests to report and the motive was not known.

Walker said the shooters were three or four people.

Akron police said there was a large gathering of teens at the home when the shooting happened, according to the paper. They didn't say who was being targeted.

Mikayla was pronounced dead at a hospital. Walker said he didn't know her.

Akron Public Schools spokesman said Mikayla was a student at Portage Path Community Learning Center, according to the paper.

Police recovered shell casings at the scene.

 

Akron police said there was a large gathering of teens at the home when the shooting happened, according to the paper. They didn't say who was being targeted."

 

"A cousin told us they were there and ducked behind bushes during the shooting. A neighbor said a bullet when through their house, lodging above their child’s bed. Police believe multiple shots were fired from outside the home."

"Mikayla’s death is the 31st homicide [Akron] police are investigating this year. “We have six this year that were under the age of 19.” Miller said that’s six too many."

 

 

[TAHAWK]

Protestors in Portland, Ore. took their fight of over 80 days to the Justice Center on Aug. 16 and declared war.

Speaking to the gathered crowd, Letha Winston said "This is war you guys. We are at war, are you guys ready?" As the crowd cheered.

...

She said that police should have been strangled in the womb by their umbilical cords, and deserve to "fry like bacon" in the electric chair. The crowd cheered.

 

Winston's protest was on the same night that [various persons] ... beat a man in the street [after he interfered with the  mugging of a trans person] , leaving him unresponsive after forcing him from his car.  [The person who delivered a power kick to the back of the head of the person being beaten when he was siting, bleeding in the street is being sought by police.]"

 

Her son, Patrick Kimmons,  was shot to death two years ago after shooting two people and running at the police with a drawn gun.  The shooting was caught on video tape. Medical staff found that Kimmons had alcohol, ketamine and trazadone — an antidepressant drug — in his system when he died. The officers were cleared by a grand jury.  Her position is that they overreacted and her son was murdered.

In further Portland news:

"An unruly crowd on Monday night [August 17] returned to the Portland police union building [in a residential neighborhood], which rioters have set on fire twice, and attempted to flood it, police officials said.

A crowd of around 200 people marched to the Portland Police Association building in the northern part of the city while chanting 'What do we want? Justice. When do we want it? Now! If we don’t get it? Burn it down!'"

18th - Riot declared outside Multnomah Building as nightly protests in Portland continue

Author: KGW Staff

Published: 10:01 PM PDT August 18, 2020

Updated: 11:07 PM PDT August 18, 2020

 

PORTLAND, Ore. — On Tuesday night, protesters gathered at Colonel Summers Park in Southeast Portland. A post on social media said the group would be rallying for Black Lives Matter and the total abolition of the prison system and police force. 

Around 9:45 p.m., the group left the park and began marching west down Southeast Hawthorne Boulevard, Beth Nakamura tweeted. The group of protesters marched to the Multnomah Building on Southeast Hawthorne and Southeast Grand which is houses several Multnomah County offices.

'No cops, no prisons, total abolition.'

Near the building, on the street, the contents of a dumpster were lit on fire, Garrison Davis tweeted. He also reported that some paper on fire in front of the doors to the building and damage to a window.

Protesters took rocks and through them through [sic] the windows at the Multnomah Building. On Twitter, the user 'Soundtrack to the End' captured video of windows shattering.

Flaming debris was thrown through the broken window and started a fire in one of the offices, according to video from Garrison Davis.

At 10:30 p.m., Portland police declared the gathering outside the building a riot and asked [ASKED!] everyone to leave the area immediately.

Edited August 19, 2020 by TAHAWK

[TAHAWK]

PORTLAND, Ore.   August 22, 2020 

A riot was declared early Saturday outside a police precinct in Portland as rioters continued their ongoing clash with law enforcement.

Nine arrests came out of the riot. The Portland Police Bureau said several of its officers were targeted by rioters who reportedly threw a railroad spike, eggs, bottles, golf balls, rocks ball bearings, plastic eggs filled with paint and balloons filled with feces. 

WARNING: Graphic images

Police said that over a three-hour period, individuals in a crowd of 100 to 150 people pelted police vehicles with softball-sized rocks, glass bottles, golf balls, ball bearings, metal railroad spikes and plastic eggs filled with paint.

 “There were also balloons filled with feces thrown on the cars and even a torn-up street sign was used to vandalize the marked police cars,” police said in a statement. “Windows were broken and tires were deflated.”

Officers eventually dispersed the crowd except for a few stragglers.

One of those was shot with a sponge-tipped less-lethal round after he was seen throwing rocks at officers, police said. He was subsequently provided with medical treatment and arrested.

One of the injured officers was treated for a laceration to her leg after being struck with a rock, police said.

On Friday, protesters clashed with federal agents outside a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement building. People in a group of about 100 late Thursday and before dawn Friday spray-painted the building with graffiti, hurled rocks and bottles at agents and shined laser lights at them, Portland police said.

The agents set off smoke or tear gas and used crowd-control munitions to try to disperse the crowd. Three people were arrested.

Also Friday, a number of federal buildings across the city were closed as the FBI investigated a car bomb threat.

Rioters'  tactics included using lacrosse sticks to fire objects at accelerated velocities from afar at officers.

 A KOIN photojournalist reported hearing at least two gunshots at the garage. Police said in a statement that “a person allegedly fired a gun.” Portland police Lt. Greg Pashley told The Oregonian/OregonLive that the department would investigate.

[TAHAWK]

Portland rioting, vandalism, and looting continues. NPR says calling riots "riots" could be "racist.

 

Calling NPR "national" or "public" could be inaccurate.

 

"A  [Black] Tennessee state representative called out politicians' response to violence and property destruction taking hold in U.S. cities, saying rioters are 'emboldened because we act like a bunch of punks -- too frightened to stand up and protect our own stuff.'

'They're getting emboldened because we act like a bunch of punks -- too frightened to stand up and protect our own stuff,' DeBerry said. 'You tell me that somebody's got the right to tear down property that Tennessee taxpayers paid for? That American taxpayers paid for? Somebody has the right to destroy it, deface it, and tear it down? What kind of people have we become that we can't protect our own stuff!?'

DeBerry has been in office for 26 years and will run for reelection as an independent, citing the 'outrage' in his district over party bosses' efforts to oust him.

'I was kind of blindsided because I have run as a Democrat since 1995 and I have won 13 elections as a Democrat,' DeBerry said. ... 'My views have always been conservative. The people in my district know this. And even though I've had opponents who have hammered me over and over about my stance on abortion, about my stance on the family and my stance on education, [voters] have overwhelmingly elected me 13 times.'"

[TAHAWK]

EVEN SNOPES:

"Did a BLM Organizer Say, ‘I Don’t Care If Someone Decides to Loot’?  [downsized]

Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot said of the looting, 'This is not legitimate First Amendment-protected speech ... This was straight-up felony, criminal conduct.'

 

Rating

Correct Attribution"

"The following evening, members of the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement held a solidarity rally in that city with some of the people who had been arrested for looting the night before. Shortly after those events, social media users began circulating a meme stemming from that event, quoting a “BLM leader & organizer” named Ariel Atkins as saying, 'I don’t care if someone decides to loot, because that makes sure that person eats or has clothes. Anything they want to take, they can, because these businesses have insurance.'

Atkins said essentially the same thing a few days later, when she was interviewed by Chicago NPR station WBEZ on the subject of “why she supports looting”:

'A lot of people are really attacking our pages. They’re like, ‘Oh, you support the looters.’ And yeah, we do, 100%. That’s reparations. And like however people choose to protest, especially if it was definitely in line with what happened with the shooting, which would be powerful to see people reacting … without organizers just being like, ‘We’re angry and this is what we’re gonna do. We’re gonna take the power back.’"

[TAHAWK]

 

[Troop75Eagle]

1 hour ago, TAHAWK said:

 

That video says a lot.  Actions taken leave zero question for intent.  Fortunately, they were not particularly skilled and no doubt will come up with all sorts of mitigating ideas.  I really can’t think of any reason to take those particular steps except to burn human beings alive.  Police aside, burning law abiding parents, civil servants and Individuals to an agonizing death.  
 

I’m so weary of apologists excising these people and claiming it’s outsiders and a few radicals not sanctioned.  There is a point when making such arguments moves beyond embarrassing but insulting.  
 

I’m also weary of politicizing the events for political purposes.  Using federal power for political advantage is hardly surprising or new but it is a gross slap to state sovereignty and using law enforcement as pawns.  In Seattle, it’s had the added effect of flushing the extreme right anti government militias out.  None of that is good and needs to be left to state officials, in my opinion.  Their leaders have the tools to deal with this if they choose.  They have not chosen to, so that is definitely a problem.

Kyle Rittenhouse is newer example.  There are details not published yet that seem to indicate a conspiracy among extreme right wing elements recruiting, energizing and equipping young men to go out and give them what for.  If such is the case, then that adds a wrinkle to the equation that shows more inexcusable conduct is taking place.  It in no way lessens or ameliorates the looting and burning that is a confirmed pattern but does demonstrate the additional problem of other extremists having a grand time.  Law abiding citizens AND law enforcement are the victims.  Neither side should get a pass because neither side has any decent restraint or moral fiber.  We’re long past a civil rights movement and into a criminal enterprise that is a two headed snake of hate, malice, common thievery and chaos.  Lest I forget, BOTH these extremes have reached parity on increasing homicidal actions.  
 

We are way beyond Boy Scouts in this forum but the leaders and supporters of scouting have a lot to chew on regarding guidance and leadership.  Impressionable minds are being manipulated on the streets, scouts need balance and perspective with all this and how to reason through the hype.  They need context, history and restraint to critically think rather than be swept away in an emotional hurricane of reckless behavior.  Unfortunately, public ally displayed leadership is lacking and the polarization of politics grips adults and youth alike.  Responsible adults Ive seen over the decades tone down the hype and teach meditation in thinking and action.  It’s normal for youth to be passionate and ready to fly into a cause.  But that can lead to radicalism of the worst sort and a desire to rip up the system which is decidedly NOT a patriotic stance not in the nature of grooming responsible adults and the next generation of leaders that scouts has produced.

I allege change is more thorough when it is slow, reasoned and embraced by the majority.  Each generation wants change fast and within their lifetime and in short order.  People seem to forget that such rapid change is more often a disaster when it’s forced, especially by social disorder.  Let’s hope responsible people step up and blunt the extremes and move forward in a sane way.

 

[RememberSchiff]

...topic and Scouting related...

A Gilroy man was back in court Tuesday after being accused of violent threats against Santa Clara County Public Health Officer Dr. Sara Cody.

The Santa Clara County sheriff also believes Alan Viarengo is part of the "Boogaloo Movement," a loosely organized, right-wing, anti-government group that advocates extreme violence and civil war.

The 55-year-old Viarengo is also a professor at Gavilan College in Gilroy involved in Boy Scouts of America. The organization issued a statement saying in part, “This individual has been removed from Scouting and is prohibited from any future participation in our programs.”

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/detectives-seize-138-guns-explosives-owned-by-alleged-boogaloo-boy/2356051/

 

sorry for incomplete quote. If someone finds Council's full quote, please post. Thanks ~ RS

Edited September 2, 2020 by RememberSchiff

[TAHAWK]

The former Scouter seems to have a real issue with the Scout Law, not to mention impulse control.

[TAHAWK]

 

[TAHAWK]

Green Bay Wisconsin.  09/01/2020.

Out on a $10,00 bond for pointing a loaded rifle at a policeman and two counts of battery of a policeman (biting and kicking) at a "demonstration" a month or so ago, ANTIFA "Commander Red" ( Matthew  Banta, a  23-year-old from Neenah, about 40 miles south of Green Bay)  was released this time on a $2,500 bond on multiple counts, including  two felony violations of the terms of his previous bail, which the Court failed to revoke.  He was  carrying a loaded flame thrower to a "demonstration," as well as possessing smoke bombs and commercial fireworks.  Say "crowd"  "flamethrower," and "demonstration."    Others in the group were carrying shields and baseball bats to their "demonstration."

The group ran when cops arrived – but police caught up to them.

A responding officer said as they caught up to Banta, he "dropped into the fetal position and began crying," WBAY reported.

Banta had "military grade 5 minute" smoke grenades,a flamethrower, and firework rockets in his bag, the complaint said.

He also allegedly was found with Antifa stickers.

“Matthew stated that he was going to the protest, but denied that he was trying to incite a riot," the complaint said, as reported by WULK.

The complaint added: "Matthew also denied knowing that the protest was declared an unlawful assembly.”

[awanatech]

https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2020/06/24/answering-common-questions-about-the-bsas-commitment-to-act-against-racial-injustice/

Just as a reminder, the BSA stands with and supports Black Lives Matters. Despite the BLM speakers declaring that (law enforcement) officers should have been strangled by their umbilical cords as babies and that the speakers are ready to shoot the officers. Despite the BLM organizers endorsing the rioting and looting, since businesses have insurance to cover their loss.  Despite BLM organizers justifying the looting, by calling it reparations.  In the Bryan on Scouting article linked above, it mentions the Scout Oath & Law.  I guess we are to overlook the Oath & Law when we look at the words and actions of these Black Lives Matters activists?

https://nypost.com/2020/08/13/blm-organizer-who-called-looting-reparations-doubles-down/

[Navybone]

I think Bryan does a fine job explains the BSA position:  “We wholeheartedly mean exactly what we said – that we support Black families and Black communities and that Black Lives Matter. This is not a political issue or an endorsement of an organization; it is a human rights issue and one we all have a duty to address. We stand with efforts to address racism and injustice and to promote equality and inclusion.”

 

he is talking about human rights, equality, and inclusion.   Why would anyone have a problem with that?   
 

is BLM perfect- no. Are riots ok - no. Is instigating or fomenting violence by left or right wing organizations ok- no.  Is racial inequality on - no.