ThenNow Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) I apologize for being overly involved and responding so frequently. I think I should allow you guys to strategize and discuss your concerns and plans among yourselves I may chime in at some point later or if invited. Edited March 22, 2021 by ThenNow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Based on what I am hearing, the $300M of LC assets are nearly 100% of unrestricted assets at LCs. Payment is expected from LCs this year so watch for a surge of camp sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidLeeLambert Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 So there's supposed to be a three-day mediation session starting on March 30th. Parties were invited to intend in-person in Miami, Florida, but they will also have the option to attend over Zoom. At the last hearing, when the judge was saying she expected all parties to attend and work together to make progress, Mr. Stang (TCC counsel) said that he has pre-existing conditions and would only participate via Zoom. This morning, the TCC filed a motion (as well as another motion for an expedited hearing on the motion) to force everybody to only attend via Zoom. https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/883420_2427.pdf https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/883423_2428.pdf They say, "Miami is not convenient to anyone but Debtors’ counsel and it is an epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic. In fact, on March 20, 2021, the mayor of Miami Beach declared a state of emergency in an effort to control rampaging throngs of largely mask-less students, whose disregard for public health and safety has been nothing short of stunning. Even as COVID-19 infections have declined significantly in much of the country, the positive-test rate in Miami-Dade County has increased from 5.97% to 9.18%,3 and it now accounts for approximately 22% of all Florida COVID-19 cases.4 Miami is among the cities with the highest risk of variant strains of the virus taking root, and in fact variant strains have been detected" and go on to cite several more news articles about the situation in Florida... "melting pot for variants. U.K., Brazilian, New York COVID strains found in Miami" [Miami Herald] "Maskless spring breakers flout South Beach COVID rules" [Miami Herald] "Florida Surpasses 2 Million Covid Cases, Reports 5,105 New Infections Saturday" [NBC} "Miami Beach declares state of emergency and curfew as spring break crowds spark safety concerns" [ABC] "State of emergency in Miami Beach extended to April 11 as spring breakers overwhelm the city" {Washington Post] I don't remember who suggested it, but I agree: in-person mediation might be more productive if it's conducted at Florida Sea Base or Summit Bechtel or Philmont or Northern Tier. Also safer, more fresh air, fewer crowds. For those who've been there, how long is the drive from the Miami airport to Florida Sea Base? Are there any on-base accommodations suitable for aged lawyers with health conditions, or any nearby reputable motels? Any concerns about network bandwidth to the site... anything that a few grand (in other words, less than the combined billing for all of the lawyers in attendance for a couple hours) couldn't address? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattR Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 26 minutes ago, DavidLeeLambert said: For those who've been there, how long is the drive from the Miami airport to Florida Sea Base? They still have to go through the airport full of, how to say this nicely, a bunch of hung over, indestructible students. I agree that zoom is the worst place to do this. It's as impersonable as it gets. I'd suggest a council camp in Tennessee or some other place where the weather is nice. Maybe seeing a council camp will help explain the perspectives of the two sides. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwazse Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) On 3/21/2021 at 9:04 PM, ThenNow said: I apologize for being overly involved and responding so frequently. I think I should allow you guys to strategize and discuss your concerns and plans among yourselves I may chime in at some point later or if invited. I like having your perspective, so consider that an invite. Of course, the more any of us say, the more we find someone starkly opposed to it in whole or in part. But that's the point. Most of us put things out here because it prepares us to have cogent discussions with other scouts, scouters, and concerned community (and even victims of abuse) in real life. Edited March 23, 2021 by qwazse 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 1 hour ago, DavidLeeLambert said: Mr. Stang (TCC counsel) said that he has pre-existing conditions and would only participate via Zoom. Send other reps from the TCC. I hope the judge denies the motion. I’m ok if they meet somewhere else, but it should be in person. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred8033 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) On 3/19/2021 at 10:07 AM, ThenNow said: Estimation will allow for argument about value, but not arguing negligence or baseline liability, in my view. In court, probably. In personal opinion, no. I'll continue to argue that this lawsuit is morally bankrupt and will help no one. It will damage all who touch it except the lawyers. Edited March 23, 2021 by fred8033 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThenNow Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Eagle1993 said: Send other reps from the TCC He is lead, as in totally and unequivocally lead, counsel. It cannot and will not happen without him, regardless the venue or medium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle94-A1 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, ThenNow said: He is lead, as in totally and unequivocally lead, counsel. It cannot and will not happen without him, regardless the venue or medium. Can the judge order his appearance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThenNow Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Eagle94-A1 said: Can the judge order his appearance? No. She already said Zoom or in person. He’s asking for a Covid-based fairness modification. During the hearing, he did protest the failure to consult with all mediation parties prior setting the meeting. His point is well taken, but very problematic. Zoom is terrible for this. Maybe they go to LA where he is. That may be the push. Well, I guess she could, but I highly doubt it with his Covid argument. Neutral turf would be best imho. No one asked me though. I’m still voting for Lawyers’ Survivor Island. Edited March 23, 2021 by ThenNow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thGenTexan Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 21 minutes ago, ThenNow said: Well, I guess she could, but I highly doubt it with his Covid argument. Neutral turf would be best imho. No one asked me though. I’m still voting for Lawyers’ Survivor Island. Is that gonna be on TV? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David CO Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 1 hour ago, 5thGenTexan said: Is that gonna be on TV? Naw. The producers of these shows want the audience to be rooting for at least one of the contestants to survive. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrjeff Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Wow, this whole ball of wax is heartbreaking for those of us who love Scouting. Regardless of the changes, alleged impropriety, regardless of personal opinions, there are those who will work through this crisis and do whatever needs to be done to survive. I certenly don't want anyone who has falsely accused the BSA to receive one red cent from anyone. On the other hand there are some who were abused years ago and that have been negitively effected throughout their lives as a result of that abuse and, in my opinion, deserve compensation. I think these claims should be scrutinized and perhaps the claimant should be deposed to ensure the validity of their acuzation. No matter the outcome, BSA looses and it will take a lot of dedication and work if the BSA will survive to serve new generations of young Americans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walk in the woods Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 1 hour ago, ThenNow said: Maybe they go to LA where he is. That may be the push. Yeah, if he's making a COVID argument and suggesting CA, he'll get the same argument thrown back in his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MYCVAStory Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 21 minutes ago, walk in the woods said: Yeah, if he's making a COVID argument and suggesting CA, he'll get the same argument thrown back in his face. The TCCs motion intends to put everyone on the same playing field by having all participants on Zoom. Suggestions that TCC members, who are victims, put their physical health at risk via traveling to a site where there Covid-19 is running rampant, after suffering years of mental effects from their abuse via BSA involvement, is what made the TCC's professionals address this. TCC members do not wish to be victims again and are thinking of the well-being of all involved; their professionals and others. As well, suggesting that any of this occur at a BSA facility is not well-considered when considering the victims and the impact of that. Whether this occurs completely via Zoom or not, it's safe to assume that the TCC will have representation on-site if needed and has complete plans in place to be actively engaged in-person or virtually. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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