desertrat77 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, walk in the woods said: With all due respect to National I call BS. The increased insurance cost isn't a surprise nor is the departure of LDS. This decision should have been made and announced months ago so units could plan and be honest with their parents. Instead they wait until after fall recruiting is done? Excellent points. I think the reason is twofold. Things have gone from bad to worse. Also, I think the management style at Irving TX isn't very efficient on any given day, and even less so in a crisis. Edited September 18, 2019 by desertrat77 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Last time they raised fees, they let us know early Sept. That was late but at least before recruiting. Why do they need to wait until Oct 23? This doesn’t make sense at all unless they are considering other options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertrat77 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 This has the feel of waiting for another shoe to fall.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walk in the woods Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Eagle1993 said: Last time they raised fees, they let us know early Sept. That was late but at least before recruiting. Why do they need to wait until Oct 23? This doesn’t make sense at all unless they are considering other options. In my council the school night fliers had already been printed the last time. To their credit the council ate the extra costs. Our school nights signed kids up for 16 months in previous years. Should have suspected something was up when this year we only signed kids up for 4 months. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrifty Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 This was posted to council facebook page 10 minutes ago. "I want to make you aware that late yesterday we were informed that the National Council, Boy Scouts of America, is considering a fee increase for 2020. While the fee increase would be effective beginning this recharter process, unfortunately, the amount of any increase will not be known until approximately November 1, 2019. We recognize the timing on this likely fee increase creates challenges as units have already begun communicating and collecting fees ...for their 2020 registration renewal process. As soon as we know more, we will share it. As the father of three Scouts, an active parent in all of their units and a registered leader myself, I appreciate concerns and ask for your patience while we work through this together. Finally, please be assured that finances will never be a barrier to membership for our families. Our council is proud to provide registration assistance to those in need. Information will be shared in follow up communication. Thank you again for your commitment to delivering the life-changing programs of Scouting to the youth and families we serve and those who will soon join our ranks!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jameson76 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Lame - BSA National has know impending costs for months. They have know impending membership numbers for months. A Scout is Trustworthy, unless your are BSA National apparently 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrifty Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Here's a link from another council that has posted a letter from National. https://www.jerseyshorescouts.org/nationalbsaletter?fbclid=IwAR2ck1uu2m-6KzrrBL3BMnELMBq4_4mEiiiwRWx950hAn6dDCTQ5X7KyRTA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberSchiff Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) Mentioned in news release, BSA Registration Assistance Fund. I found this form. https://247scouting.com/web/BSA160/attachment/document_14370746730_1259.pdf Edited September 19, 2019 by RememberSchiff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pale Horse Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 31 minutes ago, RememberSchiff said: Mentioned in news release, BSA Registration Assistance Fund. I found this form. https://247scouting.com/web/BSA160/attachment/document_14370746730_1259.pdf It's great that this is available, but it does nothing to help the vast majority of Scouts coming from middle class. These families are not considered "low-income", but certainly don't have a spare $1,000/year to throw at BSA; and the families that do, have higher things on their priority list. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Last fee increase was $9. Not that we allow gambling, but if we did, I’d place a large wager on the over. Delaying an announcement of a fee increase until Nov makes no sense. Pull the board together tonight and vote on it. If the internal debate is between a massive fee increase and bankruptcy then declare bankruptcy. No fee increases will cover the massive lawsuits on top of our current tenuous financial situation. Laying the financial burden of the failures of the past on the backs of parents of your current membership is wrong. Fees are a small part of the total cost of the program... I know there are fundraisers, but there are limits. Now, if this is a small increase, get over with it and let us know now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackdaws Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 4 hours ago, Eagle1993 said: Last fee increase was $9. Not that we allow gambling, but if we did, I’d place a large wager on the over. Delaying an announcement of a fee increase until Nov makes no sense. Pull the board together tonight and vote on it. If the internal debate is between a massive fee increase and bankruptcy then declare bankruptcy. No fee increases will cover the massive lawsuits on top of our current tenuous financial situation. Laying the financial burden of the failures of the past on the backs of parents of your current membership is wrong. Fees are a small part of the total cost of the program... I know there are fundraisers, but there are limits. Now, if this is a small increase, get over with it and let us know now. I agree. They have already had their national meeting in Texas so what's the delay? We knew last year LDS was leaving. Hitting units to tell parents that Scouting will now cost more than they were originally told looks pretty crappy and breeds distrust and for those families who maybe waffling on whether to stay at the end of the year, just go ahead and leave and don't re-charter unlikely to ever return because we didn't tell them the right fee amounts. When I was a membership chair, it drove me nuts that council would always be like "Whoo hoo! Look at our fantastic membership #'s!" but the reality was that those #'s you have in September/October are no where near there come February/March when all of the re-charters are in and then the hand slapping begins about needing to get #'s up. Those #'s are never reliable. Maybe we should have 6 month charters. Then we know where we stand more than once a year. It would be a nightmare at the council registrars office but hey then you know what you really are working with. Councils keep seemingly pumping out more and more exciting things at camps like ATV & Zip line programs that cost a lot of money & higher insurance costs. Pretty sure boys were signing up for scouting years and years before the ATV's and zip lines came along. Lets get back to basics and provide the program that was working. If your council finds our that they have the money for those programs without having to pass on those costs to the parents, then fantastic but the one up manship amongst camps is almost hurting all of us as whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 5 hours ago, RememberSchiff said: Mentioned in news release, BSA Registration Assistance Fund. I found this form. https://247scouting.com/web/BSA160/attachment/document_14370746730_1259.pdf That looks like a council-specific form (Crossroads of America). Is there a national fund? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonG172 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Wonder when the top execs take a cut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle94-A1 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 53 minutes ago, JasonG172 said: Wonder when the top execs take a cut? Don't know. But a retired Pro told me that national let go 38 people from the national office last month. Regarding the increase in registration and last minute notice, from the phone conversation I had earlier today, a lot of council pros are ticked off and are bugging the heck out of national about it. The tone I got is that it has ticked a lot of folks council execs off because they have already started their recruiting, and now are informed of a registration increase, when folks already paid for 2020 with their roundup fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malraux Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Eagle94-A1 said: Regarding the increase in registration and last minute notice, from the phone conversation I had earlier today, a lot of council pros are ticked off and are bugging the heck out of national about it. The tone I got is that it has ticked a lot of folks council execs off because they have already started their recruiting, and now are informed of a registration increase, when folks already paid for 2020 with their roundup fee. Rather rightfully so. Our recruitment season is almost over here and we will have to go back to everyone and say sorry, but we'll need some extra fees this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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