Bragging time on the oldest.

[SteveMM]

21 minutes ago, Eagle94-A1 said:

Multiply it by 3. While he got the hospital's approval, he got it at the managerial level. Since he is applying for a grant from a foundation, he had to fill out two separate sets of paperwork: foundation's paperwork AND hospital paperwork at the senior leadership level, i.e. a VP and CEO has to approve.

He isn't even focusing on the actual Eagle Application at this time. He just wants the Eagle project paperwork over and done with.

Wow ... yeah, that adds several levels.  It's a pain in the rear, but like Eagledad said, it's a good learning process.  God knows he'll have paperwork to fill out later in life.

[SubSM]

2 hours ago, Eagle94-A1 said:

Well the bane of the Eagle Project has hit Oldest: PAPERWORK. I love his reply to the "what have you learned" question: Behind every great, fun activity there is a ton of paperwork that sucks the life out of you and makes you question whether it is worth it or not.

Share with your son that there are many scouters routing for him. All of us knowing about the endless trail of paperwork required for scout activities.

Mike

[Eagle94-A1]

Lot going on the past few days. Went to the mountains for family vacation. Came back and oldest had to prepare for the presentation to the hospital's foundation board of directors for today. Long story short I was reviewing the workbook to make sure all the 'i's dotted and t's crossed" when I noticed two challenges. One was the Eagle Scout Fundraising Application. To be honest, I do not think it is needed for his project, but to make sure and be safe, it got filled out. Also added a before and after picture to the project. Beneficiary signed off on both. It is done!

Hopefully the DE can sign off on the fundraising application so we can get that done tomorrow.

A huge stress on everyone is over. This project has stressed him out. It took more time than planned, and has pushed back his goal of finishing everything by December instead of the end of this month. Seeing her son stressed out, plus dealing with some of the bureaucracy at the hospital,  SWMBO has been stressed. And when Momma is stressed, EVERYONE is stressed

Life is good.

 

 

[Eagledad]

9 minutes ago, Eagle94-A1 said:

Lot going on the past few days. Went to the mountains for family vacation. Came back and oldest had to prepare for the presentation to the hospital's foundation board of directors for today. Long story short I was reviewing the workbook to make sure all the 'i's dotted and t's crossed" when I noticed two challenges. One was the Eagle Scout Fundraising Application. To be honest, I do not think it is needed for his project, but to make sure and be safe, it got filled out. Also added a before and after picture to the project. Beneficiary signed off on both. It is done!

Hopefully the DE can sign off on the fundraising application so we can get that done tomorrow.

A huge stress on everyone is over. This project has stressed him out. It took more time than planned, and has pushed back his goal of finishing everything by December instead of the end of this month. Seeing her son stressed out, plus dealing with some of the bureaucracy at the hospital,  SWMBO has been stressed. And when Momma is stressed, EVERYONE is stressed

Life is good.

 

 

Being married to a CPA, our family knows exactly what you are saying. But what is the SWMBO organization she belongs to?

Barry

[Eagle94-A1]

7 minutes ago, Eagledad said:

. But what is the SWMBO organization she belongs to?

SWMBO = She Who Must Be Obeyed, aka the wife.  The project has gotten to her. Funny thing is, she has done little actual work on the project. Mostly it's been encouraging him and getting answers when needed. I've done the same thing, but also was one of the adults supervising the project.

 

[SteveMM]

1 minute ago, Eagle94-A1 said:

SWMBO = She Who Must Be Obeyed, aka the wife.  The project has gotten to her. Funny thing is, she has done little actual work on the project. Mostly it's been encouraging him and getting answers when needed. I've done the same thing, but also was one of the adults supervising the project.

 

It's funny how some moms react to this stuff.  My wife deals with our daughter's Girl Scouts career, and mostly leaves Boy Scouts to me.  But, on the day of our son's project, she was very, very concerned.  She pulled me aside and said, "I think you should have a talk with (our son) because he doesn't seem to be doing much work.  He's just walking around."  I observed him for a few minutes and reported back to the boss that he had workers spread out over 3-5 acres (no one really knows the size of the area) and was walking from spot to spot managing them, while also doing some of the work.  She didn't really know his role in the whole thing, and she thought he was just being lazy.

[Eagledad]

Since my only daughter is the youngest, my wife was trained the Boy Scout way. So her reaction to all the GS leaders leading their troop of girls at GS Summer Camp like a mother hen leading chicks was opposite. She couldn’t understand why they wouldn’t trust their girls to wander around camp without an adult escort. She and my daughter quit not to long after. 

Barry

[Treflienne]

28 minutes ago, Eagledad said:

So her reaction to all the GS leaders leading their troop of girls at GS Summer Camp like a mother hen leading chicks

Something sounds wrong here.  Girl Scout leaders do not go to summer camp with their scouts.  

My daughter's reaction to summer BSA camp was that it was great -- but there was one thing that GS camp did better: At BSA camps you have to take your mother with you if she is scoutmaster, but at GS camps you have to leave your mother behind if she is the girl scout troop leader.

Girl Scouts sign up for camp as individuals, they do not go with their troops.  They are grouped into units with other girls, from other town and troops, who they have probably never met before. GS camps are mostly staffed by college students.  These college students are the ones supervising the scouts in their units at night.  There may be a few "real adults" (parent-aged adults) around, such as the camp director and the camp nurse, but the scouts (hopefully) have very little interaction with them.

At BSA camp, in my opinion,  it felt like there was a huge number of adults around compared to the number of scouts.  The amount of adult hovering seemed much greater than I remember from GS camps in my youth, or from what my daughter tells me about GS camps in recent years.

 

 

[Eagledad]

1 minute ago, Treflienne said:

Something sounds wrong here.  Girl Scout leaders do not go to summer camp with their scouts.  

My daughter's reaction to summer BSA camp was that it was great -- but there was one thing that GS camp did better: At BSA camps you have to take your mother with you if she is scoutmaster, but at GS camps you have to leave your mother behind if she is the girl scout troop leader.

Girl Scouts sign up for camp as individuals, they do not go with their troops.  They are grouped into units with other girls, from other town and troops, who they have probably never met before. GS camps are mostly staffed by college students.  These college students are the ones supervising the scouts in their units at night.  There may be a few "real adults" (parent-aged adults) around, such as the camp director and the camp nurse, but the scouts (hopefully) have very little interaction with them.

At BSA camp, in my opinion,  it felt like there was a huge number of adults around compared to the number of scouts.  The amount of adult hovering seemed much greater than I remember from GS camps in my youth, or from what my daughter tells me about GS camps in recent years.

 

 

Ah, maybe not summer camp (20 years ago), but some kind of overnight camping for the council area. 

Barry

[Treflienne]

P.S.  Summer camp is, in my opinion, currently the best part of the GSUSA program.  (It has, to a great extent, resisted the modernization trends in GSUSA.)

And it is great for the scouts when the supervising "adults" are the ages of their older siblings and older cousins, rather than the age of their parents.

On the other hand, BSA summer camp struck me has having a LOT more resources (there was clearly a lot of money behind the camp, somewhere).  There were many many fun activities for the scouts, requiring lots of expensize equipment.

My daughter likes both kinds of scout camp, and wants to continue to attend both.

[Treflienne]

49 minutes ago, Eagledad said:

GS leaders leading their troop of girls at GS Summer Camp like a mother hen leading chicks was opposite.

 

8 minutes ago, Eagledad said:

Ah, maybe not summer camp (20 years ago), but some kind of overnight camping for the council area.

Really depends on the particular GS leaders.   I've seen GS leaders happy to send scouts, in pairs, all over the camp from Juniors (grades 4-5) onwards.   BSA has much more detailed regulations -- and I have certainly seen people in BSA unsure whether they can allow the (middle school) scouts to head out in pairs away from adult eyes, given the two-deep leadership rule.

[Eagledad]

18 minutes ago, Treflienne said:

 

Really depends on the particular GS leaders.   I've seen GS leaders happy to send scouts, in pairs, all over the camp from Juniors (grades 4-5) onwards.   BSA has much more detailed regulations -- and I have certainly seen people in BSA unsure whether they can allow the (middle school) scouts to head out in pairs away from adult eyes, given the two-deep leadership rule.

The contrast between the two programs was enough for my wife to quit. She is a type A person and doesn’t switch focus for minor inconveniences. I can only recall one BSA troop where scouts were led by the adults to all their events. Those things stand out at camps, at least before the last 10 years. It was a brand new troop of 40 scouts with only women leaders.

Barry

 

[Treflienne]

1 hour ago, Eagledad said:

The contrast between the two programs

I think that the big contrast between BSA and GSUSA is the program materials, not the volunteers.   In fact, as I have been getting involved with BSA, I am seeing  people I met in GSUSA (who were volunteering with their daughters' troops) also volunteering with BSA (with their sons packs/troops).

[Eagledad]

2 hours ago, Treflienne said:

I think that the big contrast between BSA and GSUSA is the program materials, not the volunteers.   In fact, as I have been getting involved with BSA, I am seeing  people I met in GSUSA (who were volunteering with their daughters' troops) also volunteering with BSA (with their sons packs/troops).

My experience working with adults who didn’t have any BSA experience is that they struggle with the process of character growth. BSA program character growth requires patience, faith and trust. 

Barry