Eagle94-A1 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) As you some of you folks know, I am in a new troop. Old troop had no problems with alcohol stoves, and my oldest carried one on the AT 2 years ago and I did last year. I love mine and have had 0 issues with it. While the troop don't mind me using one, they do not want the Scouts using one. As for my Whisperlite, it has been unreliable. Very first camp out I try to use it on, and a seal busted causing a leak. And it didn't work on a second camp out. That was when I was introduced to alcohol stoved. It seems as if the preferred stove is a canister stove any recommendations? Not looking into a system like the Jetboil, and needs to be affordable. My wife is going to kill me when she finds out I need another stove. Edited May 22, 2019 by RememberSchiff Reconendations replaced with Recommendations :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuctTape Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 The "pocket rocket" type can be found cheaply. They are quite light, and easy to screw on to the canister. There are many name-brands like Primus, MSR which cost $20 - $100. The off-brand chinese knock-offs are less than $20. You get what you pay for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69RoadRunner Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Is this for normal backpacking or Philmont style, patrol backpacking with giant pots? If you're not using giant pots, you can't beat this for price: https://smile.amazon.com/Etekcity-Ultralight-Portable-Backpacking-Ignition/dp/B00B4FY8YO/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=3RKUKII1Q13BO&keywords=etekcity+ultralight+portable+outdoor+backpacking+camping+stoves&qid=1558550280&s=gateway&sprefix=etekcity+ultralight%2Caps%2C177&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjlash Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Also - so that it has been said....You do know that alcohol stoves are specifically addressed in the G2SS, right? Quote Chemical fuels not recommended—Unleaded gasoline; liquid alcohol fuels, including isopropyl alcohol, denatured ethyl alcohol, and ethanol; and other flammable chemicals that are not in accordance with the manufacturer’s instructions for chemical-fueled equipment [...] Prohibited chemical-fueled equipment—Equipment that is handcrafted, homemade, modified, or installed beyond the manufacturer’s stated design limitations or use. Examples include alcohol-burning “can” stoves, smudge pots, improperly installed heaters, and propane burners with their regulators removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle94-A1 Posted May 22, 2019 Author Share Posted May 22, 2019 36 minutes ago, DuctTape said: The "pocket rocket" type can be found cheaply. They are quite light, and easy to screw on to the canister. There are many name-brands like Primus, MSR which cost $20 - $100. The off-brand chinese knock-offs are less than $20. You get what you pay for. The Chinese knock off is what I am worried about. I am willing to wait and save up for good equipment. I don't like to keep buying something over and over. One reason why I am upset abut the stove. This will #3. 35 minutes ago, 69RoadRunner said: Is this for normal backpacking or Philmont style, patrol backpacking with giant pots? If you're not using giant pots, you can't beat this for price: https://smile.amazon.com/Etekcity-Ultralight-Portable-Backpacking-Ignition/dp/B00B4FY8YO/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=3RKUKII1Q13BO&keywords=etekcity+ultralight+portable+outdoor+backpacking+camping+stoves&qid=1558550280&s=gateway&sprefix=etekcity+ultralight%2Caps%2C177&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1 Normal backpacking. I am not familiar with that brand, but worth looking into with 84% 4+ stars 7 minutes ago, jjlash said: Also - so that it has been said....You do know that alcohol stoves are specifically addressed in the G2SS, right? Yes I know that liquid alcohol fuels are not recommended, and "Equipment that is handcrafted, homemade....Examples include alcohol-burning “can” stoves...." are prohibited. That is why I bought one alcohol stove and received a 2nd one for a Christmas present. Both are manufactured by companies. Although I have made 2 alcohol stoves, I do not bring them to Scouts BSA camp outs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle94-A1 Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 So are there any brands recommended? Brands to avoid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69RoadRunner Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Amicus is a good brand. MSR, too. Here's a good review of backpacking stoves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle94-A1 Posted May 24, 2019 Author Share Posted May 24, 2019 @69RoadRunner THANK YOU! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdidochas Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 (edited) On 5/22/2019 at 1:31 PM, Eagle94-A1 said: As you some of you folks know, I am in a new troop. Old troop had no problems with alcohol stoves, and my oldest carried one on the AT 2 years ago and I did last year. I love mine and have had 0 issues with it. While the troop don't mind me using one, they do not want the Scouts using one. As for my Whisperlite, it has been unreliable. Very first camp out I try to use it on, and a seal busted causing a leak. And it didn't work on a second camp out. That was when I was introduced to alcohol stoved. It seems as if the preferred stove is a canister stove any recommendations? Not looking into a system like the Jetboil, and needs to be affordable. My wife is going to kill me when she finds out I need another stove. One option is to get a cheapie chinese canister stove from Amazon. You can usually find them for around $10 and they are great for boiling water. Or you can go just a bit more extravagant, and get something like a Primus Classic trail stove for around $20. With it, you can adjust the flame somewhat, and I could use it for steambaking, which requires a low boil. It's a bit heavier than other choices (8 oz vs. 3-4 oz for other choices), but as I said, it adjusts rather well. I have both the cheapie, and the Primus Classic, as well as a jetboil imitator. All have their uses, but if I were to have to just use one, I'd probably go for the Primus. It's more stable and much better built (it's rugged) than the cheapie, and more versatile than either the cheapie or the Jetboil-itator. The Primus Classic Trail Stove: https://www.amazon.com/d/Camping-Backpacking-Stoves/Primus-P-224383-Classic-Trail-Stove/B000RHCOP0 I've also seen it on walmart.com for a bit cheaper. Edited May 28, 2019 by perdidochas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwazse Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 The scout shop carries Primus Classics. That way, you can tell Mrs. E94-A1 that you are going to get a new council patch or pick up awards for the troop. If you accidentally come back with a stove ... well at least it wasn't a new motorcycle. As I mentioned earlier, it is possible to completely disassemble the primus for easy cleaning. You metal-workers can make different shaped pot mountings and reassemble them quite nicely. I haven't done that yet, but one of these days I'll hit the scrap metal pile and come up with some novel configuration. The only downside is that butane is not quite the four season fuel that it claims to be. Well, at least not four WPa seasons which include a fair share of very wet very cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle94-A1 Posted May 29, 2019 Author Share Posted May 29, 2019 Looks like the stove will need to wait. Mrs. Eagle94-A1 was NOT happy in the least. this would be my 4th backpacking stove (6th if you include the homemade ones i do NOT use on Scout trips) and she does not see a need for yet another stove. The only way I could get it was to use a gift card I had. WELL the local place I have a card does not carry stoves anymore, just the canisters. Oh well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeS72 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 I carry a Pocket Rocket 2 kit, that comes with the burner itself, a 3/4 liter anodized al pot, measuring cup, and pot lifter. I added a stabilizing base for the canister. Not only does it boil water really fast, but is designed to hold a 4 oz. fuel canister along with the stove, lifter and an igniter. A little more expensive that some ot the alternatives, but being solid and reliable is more important. As you stated earlier, don't want to have to keep replacing a stove, especially one that dies in the middle of a trek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elitts Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Just remember with whichever one you choose, if you are camping and it's below about 50 degrees at night, take your fuel canister to bed with you and keep it inside your sleeping bag. Makes it much easier to get it up and burning for the morning coffee/tea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terasec Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 I have had good experience with coleman peak 1 $18 most stores think i paid $13 on sale no problems with it and good low simmer control i wouldnt use anything else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattR Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 13 hours ago, Terasec said: I have had good experience with coleman peak 1 I have a rather old version of that stove. If anyone wants it let me know. I'm cleaning out my garage. I haven't tried it in about 2 decades but will if someone is interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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