perdidochas Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 On 3/7/2019 at 8:37 PM, HashTagScouts said: I often reflect on what Mike Row had to say when asked about the decision to admit girls- he highlighted the more pressing issue that the BSA, and all of those in it, should be focused on - is the BSA even relevant? If you never read this, or haven't re-read it since last May, give it a look: http://mikerowe.com/2018/05/otw-death-of-the-boy-scouts/ "If I were calling the shots, I’d take a stand against the safe space movement and everything it embodies. And I’d do it in the most public way possible. But of course, that might also require a level of risk completely inconsistent with current orthodoxy." I agree 100% of this with Mike Rowe. I've found myself guilty of some of the safe space stuff back when I was an ASM (primarily on backpacking trips, where I knew medical help was hours away), but tried my best to let the boys take risks and govern themselves. I had problems with a fellow ASM in our troop--an ASM who wasn't with the boys nearly as often as I was (I'm not sure I ever saw him on a campout with us), but his son was about to age out (and had completed all but his Eagle Scout project and one or two merit badges years earlier), and he had work circumstances that didn't allow him to be with us every week/campout. He criticized me and the other leaders for allowing the boys to play some field game (not sure which one) without direct adult supervision. My thoughts were at first, ok, if you're worried about them I'll go out there with you. Something felt wrong about doing it, but I didn't want to confront him. Over the next week, I thought about it, and realized his trouble with it. He didn't know and trust the older boys in the Troop as well as I did. I had no doubts that if there were some kind of accident (and there was more than once), that the older boys in the Troop would take care of it. They would do what they had been taught, and assess any injury as well as get help if it was beyond their abilities. I felt bad for caving into mistrust of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
an_old_DC Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Oldscout448 said: But as I read the rules, in the case of a 10pm thunderstorm, we are required to get the scouts up,dressed, then march them 400 yards to the mess hall (that was the distance at last years camp) in the pouring rain. Then back to camp in an hour or two. Then quite probably repeat the process in another hour. Been there too. After two trips about the distance you mention to the dining hall/camp HQ through pouring rain, thunder and lightning with 45 Scouts and a couple of AsMs, it was about 1:30 am. The camp director called all of the SMs together and said the storm cells were moving so fast and it was taking so long for all of the troops to reach shelter that trying to reach shelter was too risky. He told us that next time we heard the lightning siren we were to stay in our campsites and shelter in place....at least that way everybody wouldn’t be bunched up on the trail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred8033 Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 (edited) Removed. Edited June 6, 2019 by fred8033 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrkstvns Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 19 minutes ago, an_old_DC said: Been there too. After two trips about the distance you mention to the dining hall/camp HQ through pouring rain, thunder and lightning with 45 Scouts and a couple of AsMs, it was about 1:30 am. The camp director called all of the SMs together and said the storm cells were moving so fast and it was taking so long for all of the troops to reach shelter that trying to reach shelter was too risky. He told us that next time we heard the lightning siren we were to stay in our campsites and shelter in place....at least that way everybody wouldn’t be bunched up on the trail I bet a lot of scouts look back on that camp with fond memories and good stories to tell the younger scouts. A challenge makes the event worthwhile... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkMilliron Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 1. A campsite is no substitute for a building in a storm. https://www.poconorecord.com/article/20060616/NEWS/606160363 2. As to "safe space" and terms like "politically correct" being somehow a sign of weakness, that's an overreaction. A Scout is courteous and kind. That's all these things are about. Just be kind to people, whoever they are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldscout448 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 22 hours ago, mrkstvns said: I bet a lot of scouts look back on that camp with fond memories and good stories to tell the younger scouts. A challenge makes the event worthwhile... My bet would be that the scouts look back on those night hikes and say " That's gotta be the stupidest thing we have ever done at any summer camp " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/gss/toc/ has been updated. August Activity Planning and Risk Assessment Added Prohibited Activities section to replace Unauthorized and Restricted Activities section. https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/gss/gss07/#b is the direct link to the revised section. Please note the hosted pdf will be updated on or about 10/1. RichardB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 And the FAQ's that go with the above - suggest you review as well. https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/prohibited-activities-faqs/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMSM Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Didn't know dodgeball was prohibited. I'll add this to my list of things we thumb our nose at. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwazse Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, RichardB said: And the FAQ's that go with the above - suggest you review as well. Thanks @RichardB, but the FAQ is disingenuous at best. Quote Dodgeball has never been an authorized activity in Scouting. ... dodgeball has never been an authorized BSA activity, and it cannot be done anywhere in conjunction with Scouting It would have been more honest to say that, as recently as 2012, BSA publications presented dodgeball as an activity to look upon with admiration. (See https://headsup.boyslife.org/epic-dodgeball-game/ "Check Out This Epic Dodgeball Game" where Boy's Life writers proclaim, "Students at the University of California, Irvine recently participated in the world-record “Largest Dodgeball Game,” as 6,084 students launched little red balls at one another. Sounds like a blast!".) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malraux Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, TMSM said: Didn't know dodgeball was prohibited. I'll add this to my list of things we thumb our nose at. The goal of this game is to have the fewest balls on your side of the court by the end of five minutes. Or knock over your opponent’s cones or whatever. 1 minute ago, qwazse said: Thanks @RichardB, but the FAQ is disingenuous at best. It would have been more honest to say that, as recently as 2012, BSA publications presented dodgeball as an activity to look upon with admiration. (See https://headsup.boyslife.org/epic-dodgeball-game/ "Check Out This Epic Dodgeball Game" where Boy's Life writers proclaim, "Students at the University of California, Irvine recently participated in the world-record “Largest Dodgeball Game,” as 6,084 students launched little red balls at one another. Sounds like a blast!".) Yeah, I’ve got some stuff in still current Cub Scout how to books that likely violates some of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACAN Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 RichardB I saw someone post this on facebook Please explain incident #4 https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/incident-report/incident-reviews/gaga-ball/ It says the mulch or sand much be 2 FEET in depth in the pit. Pits are almost always made with 3 2x10" boards so you would only have 6 inches inside the pit???? Also another person posted a book on Scout Games written by a Scout Exec in Hartford in the 1920s listing Dodge Ball as one of the allowed games...any record on when this was changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle94-A1 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 I didn't know it was prohibited either, especially since it is listed inthe Troop Program Resources Book found here https://troop577wichita.weebly.com/uploads/1/1/2/2/11225514/woods_wisdom_troop_program.pdf I guess these fundraisers are no more. https://www.samhoustonbsa.org/dodgeball https://www.danbeard.org/pln-dodgeball-challenge/ https://michiganscouting.org/dodgeball/ https://www.scnow.com/news/local/article_0162e6ba-d563-5e4b-8398-461c21842a13.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jameson76 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 5 hours ago, TMSM said: Didn't know dodgeball was prohibited. I'll add this to my list of things we thumb our nose at. As will we, and post photos of us doing so. We clearly state that Scouts are not to target the other scouts, they are to aim for the area beside the scout and if said scout elects to move into that area, then so be it. There's always British Bulldogs..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle94-A1 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 6 hours ago, RichardB said: And the FAQ's that go with the above - suggest you review as well. https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/prohibited-activities-faqs/ Could you remove the inaccurate statement that " Dodgeball has never been an authorized activity in Scouting." from the FAQ please? After all it was an approved game in 1989's Woods Wisdom book as shown here http://www.magnificentsevens.org/docs/Resources/Planning/WoodsWisdom.pdf as well as the Troop Program Resources found here https://troop577wichita.weebly.com/uploads/1/1/2/2/11225514/woods_wisdom_troop_program.pdf AND is currencly listed as an approved game on BSA's own website https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/Games.pdf A Scout is Trustworthy after all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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