Popular Post Tampa Turtle Posted May 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2018 (I have no way of knowing if this message will be posted) Sunday, May 27, 2018 It is with extreme regret that I after 3,600 posts and 6 years I am ended my association with Scouter.com because I disagree with the recent heavy handedness of the Moderators. I have recently been disciplined and my content erased for an unknown specific issue both Kafkaesque and Orwellian. To all the folks I have met over the years and agreed/disagreed with thank you. The discussions here greatly aided my ‘work’ as a scout leader and was personally rewarding. I have personally met a few folks passing through Tampa which was very exciting. (If you are wondering if I am at my breaking point with scouting I honestly don't know. I am going to do some hiking this summer and see if I want to come back to BSA/Scouts USA come the fall. Too many changes and both my Eagle sons/ASM's who are opposites - one progressive and one liberal -are not coming back because of the changes and proposed changes. I have done my best to not influence them one way or the other.) I am really posting this over the poor treatment by one og the moderators and a warning to some that winter is coming. If I offended anyone with posts of poor taste I apologize. Electronic forums are a poor substitute for face-to-face communication and civility. I have usually tried to say the same things I would say around a campfire and have a hard time writing and expressing my ideas online. But if I ever had un-scout- like behavior it is entirely my responsibility. I still do not know what specific breach of decorum caused such extreme unction. I have asked and asked and frankly at this point I no longer care. I think the forum is useful in these times of organizational change, if for no other reasons than to gripe and blow off steam and then hear the reasons from the other guy. However, like many things these days it is getting harder and harder for folks who disagree to have a common stage to talk.(err…like a Forum). IMHO the threads are being overly managed, moved, and policed. It is just not fun and Scouter is becoming like the Webelos 3 of Scouting. I do feel , both on this blog and on the BSA and related social media threads, that dissent of any kind to recent and upcoming BSA policies will be repressed.( banning a person’s speech and removing ALL trace of three thousand postings is not what we teach our scouts in Citizenship; it is over-reach and over-kill.) I believe this attitude will trickle down from Irving to Councils to individual Scout Leaders if they stick their head above their unit. In any case no hard feelings; it has been a good run. I have connected up with many great scouters and scouts here. Friends are free to email me. Good bye and thanks for all the fish. 'John'* aka “Tampa Turtle” Lostluggage2015@gmail.com * my real name, but I'd prefer to not use my full name because I have discussed scouts and scouters the last 7 years. I am sure you understand. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBob Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 TT: It is sad to see another reasonable voice tire of fighting the distortions. God speed, good scouting (if you so choose), and good fishing! Your avatar modification is priceless. Thanks for all your time. JoeBob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkMan Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Tampa Turtle, I am sorry to see you go. The forum will be poorer without your voice. It is sad to see the casualties of the recent changes. I hope the moderators reflect on your statement. There is nothing that could be posted here that would cause me distress and I hope the moderators don't feel undue pressure on our behalf. I hope you continue Scouting and have many happy days of camping ahead of you. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gblotter Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Happy trails @Tampa Turtle Take with you the memories of your best Scouting experiences and let the other stuff fade into the cobwebs of the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walk in the woods Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Peace TT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
an_old_DC Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 @Tampa TurtleI am sad to see you go. If I didn’t know you were in Tampa, I would often swear you were in my council. i will pour you a cup of coffee around the virtual campfire. thanks for all the thoughtful posts, and for the lighthearted ones too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle94-A1 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Sorrty to see you leave. Good luck whatever you decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mashmaster Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 I am sorry to see you go, we are all richer from your posts and poorer knowing we won't see them. I hope the moderators realize the reticulations of their actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Latin Scot Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 26 minutes ago, mashmaster said: I am sorry to see you go, we are all richer from your posts and poorer knowing we won't see them. I hope the moderators realize the reticulations of their actions. The reticulations or the ramifications? I too express my gratitude for all your contributions over the past few years, and my farewell to you as you move on to find greener pastures. May your road be blessed and your way be clear. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridgeskip Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Sorry to see you go John. While we've not always agreed on everything you've said you have always made your point with courtersy. You will be missed from these parts by those on every side of every debate. Its my belief that your most recent posts were no reason to ban you, they were, at worst, satirical and if satire has now become a reason to ban users then we live in sad times indeed. Your treatment has been heavy handed indeed. Im sure we'll stay in touch and debate offline but I wanted to make my thoughts publicly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldscout448 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Sometimes the only course of action left to us is to ride off into the sunset. I suspect I'll be doing the same soon. We didn't always agree TT, but when we differed you always made me stop and think. Sometimes I even changed my mind. This place will be the poorer for your leaving, A scout salute to you, and may God bless your path. Oldscout448 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mashmaster Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 22 hours ago, The Latin Scot said: The reticulations or the ramifications? I too express my gratitude for all your contributions over the past few years, and my farewell to you as you move on to find greener pastures. May your road be blessed and your way be clear. Darn auto-correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattR Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 Good jokes, clear to the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwaihir Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 Take care TT, and hopefully see you on the trail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_in_CA Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 Sorry to see you go. This will be a lesser place without you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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