Tampa Turtle Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Son#2 who is 18 and still hanging around the Troop is active in OA (Brotherhood) and wants to know (as he is searching for a roll the last two years of High School) if there are any OA rules against him being the official Troop adviser? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle94-A1 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Interesting question. According to this, https://oa-bsa.org/article/ask-chairman-oa-assistant-scoutmaster-patch he would be OK to be an OA ASM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwazse Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 On one hand, IMHO, he who does the work deserves the recognition. On the other, https://oa-bsa.org/resources/ucl-support/ttr/ttr-adviser Quote Qualifications: A unit assistant leader or committee member at least 21 years old Appointed by the Scoutmaster or Varsity Team Coach with the approval of the unit committee chairman OA member in good standing So, there is this gap between 18-20 that doesn't come with a patch. Go figure. He should ask his lodge chief for an official title ... maybe a local NA name for "he who guides between". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelpfulTracks Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 You are correct, youth+ (18-20) is no mans land for OA in regards to troop positions. He must be under 18 for Troop Rep and 21 or older for Adviser. However, there are a number of positions he can take in OA. He can serve in any elected position in OA as long as he does not turn 21 during his term in office. Also, he can in a number of appointed Committee positions, as Chair or member. Most Chapters/Lodges have Committee Chairs for Reps, which may be a good spot if his interest is in Troop rep. This would give him excellent insight for being Troop Rep Adviser when he is eligible. Chapters/Lodges often utilizes youth+ for special Committee’s like Conclave, NOAC and Special projects because of their experience and maturity, and their unique position as OA youth/Troop adult. I hope that answers your question and helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tampa Turtle Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 Very helpful. He is doing a lot of 'unofficial' stuff in the Troop--maybe he should just make up a title and I will buy him a patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle94-A1 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, qwazse said: On one hand, IMHO, he who does the work deserves the recognition. On the other, https://oa-bsa.org/resources/ucl-support/ttr/ttr-adviser Why am I not surprised that 1 BSA publication contradicts another BSA publication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoutldr Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 OA Troop Representative is a youth position. ASM is the only adult position open to 18 year olds and what their function is is at the discretion of the SM. Why not have him advise the youth OATR? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelpfulTracks Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 On 2/28/2018 at 9:11 AM, Eagle94-A1 said: Interesting question. According to this, https://oa-bsa.org/article/ask-chairman-oa-assistant-scoutmaster-patch he would be OK to be an OA ASM. On 2/28/2018 at 11:05 AM, Eagle94-A1 said: Why am I not surprised that 1 BSA publication contradicts another BSA publication. How are they contradicting? I am not seeing any reference to qualifications for OA rep adviser in the first link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle94-A1 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 8 hours ago, HelpfulTracks said: How are they contradicting? I am not seeing any reference to qualifications for OA rep adviser in the first link. First link states "The position patch simply designates that person as the ASM who is advising the troop or team representative and helping him to be successful." ASMs are 18 and older. My interpretation is that ANY ASM who is helping the OA rep be successful qualifies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelpfulTracks Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 OA Troop Rep Adviser must be 21. I believe that is because 18-20 is still considered youth in the OA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelpfulTracks Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Is there a way to merge these two threads? I thought I was having Deja vu all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krikkitbot Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 @HelpfulTracks is correct Here are the requirements. However, I don't see why he couldn't do the job and advise the Troop Rep without doing so in an official capacity as a regular ASM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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