qwazse Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 2 hours ago, ItsBrian said: SPL, on my 2nd and final term. (They wanted me to continue for a 3rd term because small Troop, almost no senior scouts) Getting burnt out Boy Scout: Life Rank, Senior Patrol Leader That says it all, and is enough on the resume` to get you an interview from anyone who admires scouts (and no small number of employers who may despise them). At the interview, they will ask how close you are to getting Eagle and what specific responsibilities you took on as SPL. As an employer, I want to know that you'll call a spade a spade. Trust me, Mrs. Q and I are dealing with an elder care situation where staff didn't have the stones to be forthright with us. Their administrators got an earful, and they are none too please to hear about their staff glossing over an incident that could have been settled with an apology. I'll bet a -1 on this post from you if you don't experience this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back Pack Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 49 minutes ago, scoutldr said: I do judge grammar and spelling errors. It indicates a lack of attention to detail. I used to have a professional colleague who had business cards printed up listing his name as "John Doe, PhD (candidate)". There was another one who listed himself as "John Doe, MS, ABD" (all but dissertation). We laugh at guys like that...and certainly didn't hire them. Humility is an admirable trait. People put ms or ba or bs in their titles? Really? That’s lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmberMike Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, Back Pack said: People put ms or ba or bs in their titles? Really? That’s lame. It's standard in some industries. Not lame at all. It is expected in some industries that some certifications appear in titles, or even right alongside someone's name. It's especially common in QA and regulatory jobs in pharma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back Pack Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, EmberMike said: It's standard in some industries. Not lame at all. It is expected in some industries that some certifications appear in titles, or even right alongside someone's name. It's especially common in QA and regulatory jobs in pharma. Which industries. I’m curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdidochas Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 On 1/27/2018 at 11:32 AM, ItsBrian said: I’m being told by my parents and other troop leaders that I should put “Eagle Scout Canidate” on my resume to present myself better. But, I don’t believe I’m a “Canidate” until I fill out the application, etc. I did my project, I am only two merit badges away. I wanted other scouters opinions on how they would feel if they saw it. What MBs do you have left? Get to work on them. The light is at the end of the tunnel. If you don't have Personal Fitness or Personal Management, get to work on them immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdidochas Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 On 1/27/2018 at 2:30 PM, ItsBrian said: I told them the same exact thing as you all said. I didn’t earn it yet, and I’m not exactly close so why would I put it? Theoretically, you could finish up in 3 1/2 months or less. Get on those MBs ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdidochas Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Back Pack said: People put ms or ba or bs in their titles? Really? That’s lame. It's pretty common in the Educational Technology world. In addition, some expect you to put your highest IT certification as well. Edited January 30, 2018 by perdidochas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattR Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 18 minutes ago, Back Pack said: Which industries. I’m curious. Any organization that does research is going to be curious if you have a PhD. They're going to be so curious that putting it as a title will get them to read past your name. Any organization that teaches is going to be curious as to your education. Anyone that deals with regulatory or any required licensing will also want to know. So, scientists, teachers, doctors, lawyers, civil engineers, .... My son had a problem with selling himself. He also thought it was lame. Fortunately for him he had an experience where he saw first hand what that did to his prospects. He had two interviews. The first one he barely made the cut because he didn't want to tell his story. He thought it was lame to do so. We talked. On the second one he moved from the bottom to the top. This wasn't for a job so it was not such a big deal but it was something he wanted. It was a good lesson. One thing that isn't mentioned here is that the resume should lead to stories you can tell in the interview. It really helps if you have something to talk about. Scouts is an excellent source of stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 "Boy Scout: Life Rank, Senior Patrol Leader" Outside of Scouting, most folks have no idea what the terms "Life Rank" or "Senior Patrol Leader" mean. I think this is why the Eagle Scout Project Workbook uses the term "Eagle Scout Candidate". I think it would be acceptable to say Eagle Scout Candidate or Eagle Scout rank, anticipated winter 2018 (or something similar). Most folks would understand both of these to mean that you are close to earning Eagle Scout rank, but haven't earned it yet. This would be similar to applying for a job that requires a degree while you are still in college. Something like: John Smith, Bachelor of Science in Nursing, expected June 2018. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsBrian Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 47 minutes ago, perdidochas said: What MBs do you have left? Get to work on them. The light is at the end of the tunnel. If you don't have Personal Fitness or Personal Management, get to work on them immediately. Fitness and cycling. Im only 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmberMike Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Back Pack said: Which industries. I’m curious. The one I know of personally is Pharma, many of my clients are in that industry. Certifications and degree acronyms are mostly seen after names in the quality assurance area, regulatory affairs, and some specialty sciences and research areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 2 hours ago, EmberMike said: The one I know of personally is Pharma, many of my clients are in that industry. Certifications and degree acronyms are mostly seen after names in the quality assurance area, regulatory affairs, and some specialty sciences and research areas. I’m in the med device industry and I’ve seen this with PMP (project management professional) and various nursing certifications (CNA, RN, etc.). However, I do agree some can go overboard. Generally it’s a red flag if the characters in your degree and certification list exceed your name length. 😀 As far as eagle candidate on your resume I’d keep it to Life Scout for now. At 15 that is a great accomplishment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Flagg Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Sometimes the use of degrees seems like the Scouting equivalent of knots. Doctors I get. Pharmacists I get. Even lawyers I get. Professional certifications I get. But in general, if I see someone with "John Doe, BS, MBA" I think "Wow, look how many knots he has." In the consulting world it would just be saying "Look at me...I have an MBA." The irony is that most people do but don't put it down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdidochas Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 23 hours ago, ItsBrian said: Fitness and cycling. Im only 15. No reason to not Eagle at 15. Both of my sons did. My oldest had a great time as senior scout after he got his Eagle. Edited January 31, 2018 by perdidochas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsBrian Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 30 minutes ago, perdidochas said: No reason to not Eagle at 15. Both of my sons did. My oldest had a great time as senior scout after he got his Eagle. I’m aware, but just letting others know that I’m not rushing or anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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