ItsBrian Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) Didn’t know what else to put as the title so please excuse it. Anyway, my troop has recently shared a cabin with another Troop. We noticed how we were completely different and did things different (nothing wrong with that). They used paper products, we used mess kits. They used plastic cups, we used refillable water bottles. The adults did a decent amount of cooks, we have adults only supervise. They take their time on a Sunday, cooking a full meal and not leaving until 12, we have a quick meal and leave by 8-9. My biggest issue was their Leadership, I had to track down people from their troop, that I knew nobody in it, and basically had to just say “You’re on KP”, and so on. The SPL wasn’t really doing anything, the past SPL / Troop Guide was. They were the host so we went with whatever they do, but we used our own mess kits. Otherwise, it was a great weekend. I’m not saying the troop is horrible or bad or anything, just how I never realized Troops are that different and it’s different for each troop. Im not saying my troop is better. We got invited back for next year so we must’ve done something right. Edited January 21, 2018 by ItsBrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle94-A1 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Yes, every troop is different. You should have seen it somewhat at summer camp and camporees. But as you pointed out, you really see it when camping with someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jameson76 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Wait...there are other troops out there?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwazse Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) Our troop operates a lot more like yours. Although, there are occasions when the boys will ask to use paper products instead of mess kits. Anyway, this is what shared activities, camporees, conclaves, and jamborees are for ... so scouts from different units can get together and compare notes. Edited January 21, 2018 by qwazse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostbyte Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Each troop has its own flavor; spiced with the experiences and maturity and knowledge levels of both the boys and leaders. I have seen troops that are run with military precision and discipline. I have seen troops that lean a bit more to "Lord of the Flies." I think the hope would be to accept and learn from both sides of the spectrum. I think it is more difficult for a more precision oriented troop to accept the more "slack" troops you sometimes find. For example, our troop uses its own mess kits, but not standardized or anything. Also, we don't have any problem leaving way late. (I am not in any rush to get back to the grind after the fun of camping! . I think asking the boys to keep an eye out and see what they can learn from the other troop is a good idea as well, and have them report back during a gathering time. It not only shifts the focus from "we're right and they're wrong" but gets them thinking about what they are doing and how they can do it better. It is tough though, when alternating something like latrine duty at summer camp and the other troop did not do their day, making it harder on my troop. But a friendly word to the Scoutmaster was all that was needed. He was embarrassed for his boys and started to get fired up and was going to give them a chewing out, but I let him know it would probably happen with my troop at some point during the week so he should not sweat it. I let him know to just pass it along to the SPL and step back and see what happened, good or bad. That same troop, btw, had a really good idea for fulfilling the lashing requirements. There was some bamboo poles lying around. A couple of scouts lashed them to make a fishing rod rack for all the rods the boys brought. I had not seen that before and thought it was a pretty good idea. So we learned from them on that piece. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsBrian Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Jameson76 said: Wait...there are other troops out there?? I just learned that this weekend! I thought all those other campsites were for display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back Pack Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) You just saw the difference between boy led and adult led. Edited January 22, 2018 by Back Pack 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mashmaster Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Next time go, and setup tents outside the cabin and you will blow their minds! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalicoPenn Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Our Troop cabin camped one time a year - in January. Had you shared the cabin with us, you would probably have noticed a lot of similarities. The adults cooked - we used paper products. It is the only outing where the adults cooked for the Scouts and we used paper products. Most of this was due to logistical issues - the cabin had a kitchen with stove, oven, refrigerator and sink. The camp had a no coleman stove cooking in the cabin (and read coleman stove like you would read bandaid - as a generic term rather than as a brand). With 5 patrols and one stove, it would have taken most of the day for each patrol to cook their meals. By the time the 5th patrol was finished cooking breakfast, it would have been about time for the first patrol to start lunch. The sink was a standard one-compartment kitchen sink. Not very conducive to washing dishes for 60 people. So it was decided by the adult leaders that they would cook as a reward for the Scouts hard work over the year, leaving us with more time to be outside skiing, sledding, tobogganing, snowshoe hiking, etc.. They also decided clean-up would go much quicker if paper products were used. It would be interesting to see what this other Troop does the rest of the year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsBrian Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, CalicoPenn said: Our Troop cabin camped one time a year - in January. Had you shared the cabin with us, you would probably have noticed a lot of similarities. The adults cooked - we used paper products. It is the only outing where the adults cooked for the Scouts and we used paper products. Most of this was due to logistical issues - the cabin had a kitchen with stove, oven, refrigerator and sink. The camp had a no coleman stove cooking in the cabin (and read coleman stove like you would read bandaid - as a generic term rather than as a brand). With 5 patrols and one stove, it would have taken most of the day for each patrol to cook their meals. By the time the 5th patrol was finished cooking breakfast, it would have been about time for the first patrol to start lunch. The sink was a standard one-compartment kitchen sink. Not very conducive to washing dishes for 60 people. So it was decided by the adult leaders that they would cook as a reward for the Scouts hard work over the year, leaving us with more time to be outside skiing, sledding, tobogganing, snowshoe hiking, etc.. They also decided clean-up would go much quicker if paper products were used. It would be interesting to see what this other Troop does the rest of the year. Heck I would use paper plates too! But, your sort is sort of different. It was preplanned that it would be paper products, adults cooking, etc. I believe this is a every camping trip for them. Wish my Troop did this for us. And yes, I’m really curious how it’s on other camping trips. Edited January 23, 2018 by ItsBrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jameson76 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Interesting on the paper stuff. Due to trash and mounds of debris we moved away from paper products many years back. Admittedly the cabin with the single kitchen is a one off. Don't do a lot of cabin camping below the Mason Dixon line. We are a larger troop and typically camp with 4 to 6 patrols (sometimes patrols combine for an outing) with 35 - 45 scouts camping. Even with no paper products, 3 pot method, etc still have to police up a bunch. Scouts bring mess kits etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdidochas Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 On 1/21/2018 at 2:02 PM, ItsBrian said: Didn’t know what else to put as the title so please excuse it. Anyway, my troop has recently shared a cabin with another Troop. We noticed how we were completely different and did things different (nothing wrong with that). They used paper products, we used mess kits. They used plastic cups, we used refillable water bottles. The adults did a decent amount of cooks, we have adults only supervise. They take their time on a Sunday, cooking a full meal and not leaving until 12, we have a quick meal and leave by 8-9. My biggest issue was their Leadership, I had to track down people from their troop, that I knew nobody in it, and basically had to just say “You’re on KP”, and so on. The SPL wasn’t really doing anything, the past SPL / Troop Guide was. They were the host so we went with whatever they do, but we used our own mess kits. Otherwise, it was a great weekend. I’m not saying the troop is horrible or bad or anything, just how I never realized Troops are that different and it’s different for each troop. Im not saying my troop is better. We got invited back for next year so we must’ve done something right. Well, IMHO, at least in terms of the kitchen, your troop did it better. IMHO, Scout campers should be using mess kits and refillable water bottles, and the scouts should be cooking for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tampa Turtle Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, perdidochas said: Well, IMHO, at least in terms of the kitchen, your troop did it better. IMHO, Scout campers should be using mess kits and refillable water bottles, and the scouts should be cooking for themselves. Mess Kits! How about bowls or frisbees? For water bottles we advocate Smartwater Bottles and reused them over Nalgenes. YMMV. Yes Scouts should be cooking for themselves. The only exception would be if for example (we did this) when the older boys were doing an overnight 25 mile speed hike and arrived at camp to find that the younger scouts had cooked them bacon, eggs, and biscuits. Was the younger boys idea and well they were pretty popular for a couple hours. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattR Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 15 hours ago, CalicoPenn said: Our Troop cabin camped one time a year - in January. Had you shared the cabin with us, you would probably have noticed a lot of similarities. The adults cooked - we used paper products. It is the only outing where the adults cooked for the Scouts and we used paper products. Most of this was due to logistical issues We camped in a cabin in December with the same logistical issues. The scouts decided that each patrol would cook a different meal. They did set up wash stations and each scout cleaned his own mess kit. Because the scouts were cooking for so many there were some adults that did some "constructive questioning." Some of it was a bit more than I'd have liked but it all worked out well, the scouts learned some good things about cooking for a big group, we ate well and we had a lot of fun. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsBrian Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tampa Turtle said: For water bottles we advocate Smartwater Bottles and reused them over Nalgenes. YMMV. May I ask why you do that? Edited January 23, 2018 by ItsBrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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