Col. Flagg Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, ItsBrian said: Yeah, a 3million dollar compensated unpaid volunteer Not sure he's making $3m. That would be excessive even for BSA. Brock only made 1.2m or there abouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocomax Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 What is the name of the new BSA girl's program? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tampa Turtle Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 58 minutes ago, Gwaihir said: So wait, is the sane, logical explanation that the article is legit, or that it's fake? Yes. For both. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numbersnerd Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Just now, cocomax said: What is the name of the new BSA girl's program? 90 days and counting, still waiting on the details. And the broad points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Flagg Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, cocomax said: What is the name of the new BSA girl's program? Venturing. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsBrian Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Col. Flagg said: Not sure he's making $3m. That would be excessive even for BSA. Brock only made 1.2m or there abouts. Exaggeration, I forgot exactly how much. Edited January 19, 2018 by ItsBrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJCubScouter Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 It's nice to know that he's reading our humble little forum. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisos Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 49 minutes ago, NJCubScouter said: It's nice to know that he's reading our humble little forum. True. Maybe little, but with a lot of folks with a lot of knowledge that really care. (even if we don't always agree). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Latin Scot Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Admittedly, they have announced many times that there won't be any official information on the girls' program (including its name) until 2019 - they still have the better part of a year to figure it out. But even if this article had never come out, the fact is that there is still a lot of uncertainty as to what's going to happen with it. A year is still not a lot of time to create a whole new program that is at once tailored towards girl's development and yet meets the same criteria required to earn them their Eagles in a manner that's legitimately "equal but different.' They haven't given themselves enough time for trial and error, and I foresee that coming back to bite them hard. I have watched all of Surbaugh's web presentations and "town hall" meeting clips that I could find, and they have acted almost entirely on what they assume people want based on surveys and samples - it's extremely sketchy reasoning, from both a statistical and a logical point of view. I can't say I fully support him, as I have most of our past leaders. Just because he's a volunteer doesn't mean I have to hold him up to some lesser standard. In his elevated position, I actually expect much better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tampa Turtle Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 FYI-Scout Son#2 told me that he had read the buzzfeed article (and thought it was based on reality) and it had made the rounds of various boys in the Troop on social media. Opps! I didn't bring it up, we were doing something else and said "hey you see that article..." He doesn't care one way or the other about the change but thinks "Boy Scouts" (by that I assume he means National) has no idea what they are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle94-A1 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Mixed emotions of the notoriety. One one hand it may be good that they get the views of use unit serving Scouters who will have to deal with issues as they come up. On the other hand, I have seen how some Scouters have been treated when they questions about the professionals. Best case is they are removed from district and council level positions and ignored. Worse case I've seen once was their membership revoked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmberMike Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 On 1/19/2018 at 7:49 PM, The Latin Scot said: Admittedly, they have announced many times that there won't be any official information on the girls' program (including its name) until 2019... I was under the impression we'd get some info sooner. From the BSA factsheet: "Using the same curriculum as the Boy Scouts program, the organization will also deliver a program for older girls, which will be announced in 2018 and projected to be available in 2019..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle94-A1 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 From talking to pros, my impression is that National doesn' t have a clue. I mentioned how AOL dens can Cross Over December 1st 2018, and they need a plan and prepared to be ready. Comment I heard was that if the program is not ready for January 1st, everyone can stay in and earn more activity badges until the program is. If my pack decides to withhold my youngest son's AOL and Cross Over ceremonies until a girls program was established, Scouting WILL lose my son. He is starting to get bored waiting for folks to catch up as it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 38 minutes ago, Eagle94-A1 said: From talking to pros, my impression is that National doesn' t have a clue. I mentioned how AOL dens can Cross Over December 1st 2018, and they need a plan and prepared to be ready. Comment I heard was that if the program is not ready for January 1st, everyone can stay in and earn more activity badges until the program is. If my pack decides to withhold my youngest son's AOL and Cross Over ceremonies until a girls program was established, Scouting WILL lose my son. He is starting to get bored waiting for folks to catch up as it is. The girls are in separate dens in family packs, correct? If your son's den is ready to crossover to a troop in December, why should they be held back if the girl's program (whatever it's going to be called) isn't ready by then? Just let the boy's den crossover when it's ready, and the girl's den might crossover later. A lot of girl's dens will probably need more time anyway, especially if most 5th grade girls don't join until August-September. They wouldn't meet the 6-month tenure requirement until February-March. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle94-A1 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 59 minutes ago, Thunderbird said: A lot of girl's dens will probably need more time anyway, especially if most 5th grade girls don't join until August-September. They wouldn't meet the 6-month tenure requirement until February-March. While a lot may need more time, not all. While the "Early Adopters" cannot have 5th graders currently, come June 1st, they will be "AOL Cub Scouts". And the requirement is Be active in your Webelos den for at least six months since completing the fourth grade or for at least six months since becoming 10 years old. Theoretically, if a girl could earn AOL and cross over as early as June 16th if she was in 4th grade and turned ten prior to January 16th. As for holding back dens, how do you think it would play out if only boys were able to cross over, butnot the girls? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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