an_old_DC Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 53 minutes ago, Jameson76 said: She may need to be cognizant of that and realize that contrary to PT Barnum's input "There's no such thing as bad publicity" is not always true. She is learning from her father (Gary) as evidenced by the continuous interview photo op cycle. In the end, she's just a kid. The SM, ASMs and committee members in her "unofficial" troop in NY are the folks who deserve blame for continuing this nonsense of "unofficially" earning MB and ranks. They should be ashamed of themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Flagg Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Eagle1993 said: Just listened to the “pantsuit nation” podcast with Sydney Ireland as the guest. The striking inconsistency of the argument presented that BSA must tear down this patriarchal program while maintaining Girl Scout are great for girls is blatant. I warn you not to go searching for the podcast.... In the name of complete disclosure. https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/cadence13/pantsuit-nation-podcast/e/52933039 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberSchiff Posted January 26, 2018 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) I wonder if ALL the male listeners of Pantsuit Nation are members of scouter.com Edited January 26, 2018 by RememberSchiff 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAHAWK Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. We hope you like our show. Hello. Hello. Hello. "Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou, Romeo?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle94-A1 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Eagle1993 said: Adding a new girls program will be massive and they will need some groups to work out the bugs to be ready for 2019 Feb/March crossover. Don't you mean December/January 2018, the earliest the 4th grade female Webelos who are "early adopters" can cross over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 13 minutes ago, Eagle94-A1 said: Don't you mean December/January 2018, the earliest the 4th grade female Webelos who are "early adopters" can cross over? True... but I’m thinking more about the widespread rollout from Packs. There will definitely be some need late this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkwin Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 4 hours ago, Col. Flagg said: In the name of complete disclosure. Thanks for the link. After listening to that (the host commentary I could do without), I came away with the impression that here was a young person that dedicated themself to the ideals of scouts, both boy and cub, and for which they did all the work without any of the official recognition, and now that they can become an official member, they would also like the opportunity to earn the highest award - not someone that joined up long ago to ONLY get the highest award - it was never just about Eagle, it just became also about Eagle. Up until a few months ago, this person had done everything up through First Class without any official recognition or any idea that they would ever receive official recognition. If there was anyone that could say that they did scouts for the journey and the experience and not the swag, it would be her. If anything, I gained more respect for her, not less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
an_old_DC Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 @Hawkwin, you forgot to add that she is a habitual rule breaker who deliberately and consistently flaunts that she is breaking the rules. Oh, and that she has been enabled since she was 5 or whatever by adult leaders who deliberately and consistently ignored BSA bylaws, and then had the sheer audacity to submit membership and advancement paperwork for her to their council, which they knew would be rejected. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwazse Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 9 minutes ago, an_old_DC said: @Hawkwin, you forgot to add that she is a habitual rule breaker who deliberately and consistently flaunts that she is breaking the rules. Oh, and that she has been enabled since she was 5 or whatever by adult leaders who deliberately and consistently ignored BSA bylaws, and then had the sheer audacity to submit membership and advancement paperwork for her to their council, which they knew would be rejected. Or, maybe BSA has been breaking more lofty rules for a few decades, and they are just setting things aright! Player or pawn, she's not the first. She just happens to be present when enough customers are clamoring for recognition based on achievement, not identity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAHAWK Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 29 minutes ago, Hawkwin said: Thanks for the link. After listening to that (the host commentary I could do without), I came away with the impression that here was a young person that dedicated themself to the ideals of scouts, both boy and cub, and for which they did all the work without any of the official recognition, and now that they can become an official member, they would also like the opportunity to earn the highest award - not someone that joined up long ago to ONLY get the highest award - it was never just about Eagle, it just became also about Eagle. Up until a few months ago, this person had done everything up through First Class without any official recognition or any idea that they would ever receive official recognition. If there was anyone that could say that they did scouts for the journey and the experience and not the swag, it would be her. If anything, I gained more respect for her, not less. Did she understand that she was not/if not Scout, Tenderfoot, Second Class, First Class, Star. or Life ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 10 minutes ago, TAHAWK said: Did she understand that she was not/if not Scout, Tenderfoot, Second Class, First Class, Star. or Life ? I think she consistently states that her ranks are unofficial. However, she is looking for official recognition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back Pack Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, Eagle1993 said: I think she consistently states that her ranks are unofficial. However, she is looking for official recognition. Great. Follow the same rules everyone else has. Join Scouts. Start at Scout and work your way up. Too bad if that means you’ll be 20 when you make Eagle. I have dozens of friends who’d like special treatment too. Life shouldn’t work based on how loud you complain. Certainly an Eagle shouldn’t expect that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Back Pack said: Great. Follow the same rules everyone else has. Join Scouts. Start at Scout and work your way up. Too bad if that means you’ll be 20 when you make Eagle. I have dozens of friends who’d like special treatment too. Life shouldn’t work based on how loud you complain. Certainly an Eagle shouldn’t expect that. We already have a thread debating this (I agree with you and at the same time do admire her work). The question was if she understands that her ranks are not official. It appears she understands that. I probably shouldn’t have mentioned the podcast as it took this thread sideways. We should probably just start a thread titled Gary Ireland’s Twitter feed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocomax Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 One life lesson every one needs to learn is you can't always get your way. Sometimes you fail for reasons beyond your control. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gblotter Posted January 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2018 On 1/25/2018 at 9:42 AM, Jameson76 said: The first quote is speaking to an initial effort, at the beginning, in that if one is transparent, then that builds trust. The second is addressing that if there is already mistrust, just being transparent in and of itself, will not restore that trust. Once an organization reaches that point of lack of trust, transparency is about managing that mistrust. Basically if BSA National, from the Get Go, back in the day had been open and honest with the member base about many things, then trust in BSA National would have been there. They were not as has been demonstrated. Probably not entirely deceptive but certainly directing facts to push an agenda (agendas) that was not supported by the majority of the membership. Now at this point in time, a good portion of the member base does not have inherent trust in BSA National. If they suddenly decided to become transparent / open and honest, many would not believe them. So if they were to try to become more transparent (open and honest) they are coming at this from a harder position, nobody believes what they say. This summarizes perfectly the trust problem with BSA National. Unfortunately, it extends far beyond trustworthiness. I believe their lack of transparency is rooted in basic ineptitude. Their actions are shielded to avoid visibility into their incompetency. How did this noble organization of the Boy Scouts of America end up with executives who are so divorced from the founding principles of Scouting? A Scout is trustworthy, yet they have repeatedly displayed examples of dishonest, deceitful, manipulative, and opportunistic leadership. The first qualification for the job should be that you actually believe in the movement. I am truly embarrassed to have this bungling group of mismanagers at our head, and I am immensely sad for all that has been lost under their misdirection. I am one of their casualties who will exit Scouting at the end of this year. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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