Tampa Turtle Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Sorry for muddying the waters...back to the regular program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle94-A1 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Well now I'm confused. I thought we were discussing tenting policy in relation to Cub Scout family camping (in which every tent has a Cub Scout and his parent(s).) Now you are talking about the leaders-of-both-genders-on-coed-outings rule, which is a separate issue from sleeping accommodations. ? Sorry for the confusion. let me try and clarify. Not only do we have folks thinking 11-17 yo Scouting will become "Family camping" with siblings being able to tag along, but also that if there are no female Scouters attending, as long as dad of the female Scout attends, there is no YP violation since it is 'family camping." When I tried to explain the Venturing YP policies, i.e. female adult must attend, I'm told "no because as long as the dad attends, it's family camping." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJCubScouter Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Sorry for the confusion. let me try and clarify. Not only do we have folks thinking 11-17 yo Scouting will become "Family camping" with siblings being able to tag along, but also that if there are no female Scouters attending, as long as dad of the female Scout attends, there is no YP violation since it is 'family camping." When I tried to explain the Venturing YP policies, i.e. female adult must attend, I'm told "no because as long as the dad attends, it's family camping." Well, I hope the BSA makes clear, and universally known, what is changing and what isn't. Given my often-expressed criticism of the BSA for never properly informing the "field" (i.e. us, including those who don't read Internet Scouting forums) of what we need to know, I'm not betting a lot of money that they will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalicoPenn Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Well, I hope the BSA makes clear, and universally known, what is changing and what isn't. Given my often-expressed criticism of the BSA for never properly informing the "field" (i.e. us, including those who don't read Internet Scouting forums) of what we need to know, I'm not betting a lot of money that they will. Even if they make it clear, we'll have a lot of threads in here trying to figure out what it all means. Remember when we had an earnest discussion of whether a Scout that did 1 and a half pull-ups a month after doing one pull-up met the improved over a month requirement? I'm pretty sure if I looked hard enough, I could find a discussion on what it means to swim one mile for the mile swim. While you're not betting a lot of money that National will properly inform the field, I'm not betting a lot of money that the field will understand what National is releasing - even if they bullet point it, write it at the "See Spot Run" level, with illustrations of the Teletubbies modeling what it means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagledad Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Even if they make it clear, we'll have a lot of threads in here trying to figure out what it all means. Remember when we had an earnest discussion of whether a Scout that did 1 and a half pull-ups a month after doing one pull-up met the improved over a month requirement? I'm pretty sure if I looked hard enough, I could find a discussion on what it means to swim one mile for the mile swim. While you're not betting a lot of money that National will properly inform the field, I'm not betting a lot of money that the field will understand what National is releasing - even if they bullet point it, write it at the "See Spot Run" level, with illustrations of the Teletubbies modeling what it means. LOL, holding up to your reputation of the kind of person you have consistently been on this list. You make it quite clear what you really think of us. Hmm, I wonder, is that integrity. Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stosh Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 One would also wonder if personal attacks are holding up the integrity of Scout Spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJCubScouter Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 One would also wonder if personal attacks are holding up the integrity of Scout Spirit. They don’t, and they need to stop, now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalicoPenn Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 I just figure if someone is making a personal attack, it means they can't deny the truth about what is being said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stosh Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 When one can't debate the topic, attack the other person. It seems to be the new norm in our culture. Kinda sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJCubScouter Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 We need to stop talking ABOUT personal attacks, as well. If someone has a complaint about someone else’s behavior, there is a flag report system. If someone has a complaint about an action by a moderator, they can email or PM SCOUTER-Terry. Going forward in this thread, we need to EITHER discuss THE TOPIC, which is the upcoming change in BSA policies and programs, or else bring this thread to a close. I (and the other moderators) prefer to have threads come to a natural conclusion. But if this discussion does not get back to the topic immediately, and stay there exclusively, this thread will be locked, and if necessary, other appropriate action will be taken as well. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tampa Turtle Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 All good threads come to an end of their natural life usually marked by some incoherent comment by me--perhaps I am one of the four horseman of the thread-pocalypse. I would wager 'teletubbies' a fellow rider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back Pack Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 I issued the "Okay then" to move on, but you and only you ignored the warning. Your post was deleted. I think he’s referring to the personal attack just above that you didn’t delete. A bit one sided if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberSchiff Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Time to lock topic NJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagledad Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Time to lock topic NJ? Because? Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberSchiff Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 We need to stop talking ABOUT personal attacks, as well. If someone has a complaint about someone else’s behavior, there is a flag report system. If someone has a complaint about an action by a moderator, they can email or PM SCOUTER-Terry. Going forward in this thread, we need to EITHER discuss THE TOPIC, which is the upcoming change in BSA policies and programs, or else bring this thread to a close. I (and the other moderators) prefer to have threads come to a natural conclusion. But if this discussion does not get back to the topic immediately, and stay there exclusively, this thread will be locked, and if necessary, other appropriate action will be taken as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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