President Trump to visit 2017 Jamboree

[RememberSchiff]

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/west-virginia/articles/2017-07-21/trump-to-visit-boy-scouts-jamboree-in-west-virginia

 

"On Monday, Trump will become the eighth U.S. president to attend a Jamboree. More than 40,000 Scouts, their leaders and volunteers are at the 10-day event."

 

"Presidents dating back to George H.W. Bush attended the Jamboree when it was previously held at a military base at Fort A.P. Hill, Virginia. President Barack Obama declined an invitation from the Scouts to address the 2010 Jamboree in Virginia and the 2013 Jamboree when it was held for the first time in West Virginia."

Edited July 22, 2017 by RememberSchiff

[Back Pack]

Not by video? Wonder how that was accomplished.

 

Predecessor declined...twice. Meh

[RememberSchiff]

I hope our Scouts are courteous and kind this time. IMO, it was a good idea for SecState Tillerson to appear ahead of President.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mbg-oxrAWQ

Edited July 22, 2017 by RememberSchiff

[Back Pack]

They had reason to boo him. He didn't show. Twice.

 

And we know why he really dissed the scouts

Edited July 22, 2017 by Back Pack

[qwazse]

They had reason to boo him. He didn't show. Twice.

And we know why he really dissed the scouts

Yeh, because of the banning of independent patrol overnights!

[SSScout]

A prediction:   "... a really, really,  great organization...."

[RememberSchiff]

Wouldn't it be cool if scouts lashed a tall Trump tower, oh wait a minute there's a 6 ft. height limit. 

[mashmaster]

A scout is Respectful

[CalicoPenn]

They had reason to boo him. He didn't show. Twice.

 

And we know why he really dissed the scouts

 

Snark engaged:

 

Ronald Reagan didn't show up to the two Jamborees held during his time in office either.  And we all know why Reagan really dissed the scouts.

 

Snark disengaged.

 

Instead of plying us with snark and imply with a wink and nod that we really know why Obama dissed the Scouts - why don't you go ahead and tell us why you think Obama skipped the Jamboree.  What I know is that both Reagan and Obama had scheduling conflicts.  Whether I think those conflicts were more important or not would just be my opinion.  I also remember what a cluster it was when GW Bush visited the Jamboree - most of the American people who follow the news knows what a cluster that was.  While it wasn't ever officially stated, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if the administration decided not to attend because of the complete and utter chaotic disruption it would cause.

 

Trump will be attending this Jamboree - I'm hoping they've solved for the security issue fiascos that they had the last time.

 

As for why they booed the video?  Because they were snottly little brats being influenced by snotty little leaders who didn't like the fact that a black man was President of the United States - that's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

[RememberSchiff]

A little Courtesy and Kindness could go a long way. The President's visit is a opportunity for us, the Boy Scouts, to lead the country back to some civility.

 

My $0.02

[Col. Flagg]

Snark engaged:

 

Ronald Reagan didn't show up to the two Jamborees held during his time in office either.  And we all know why Reagan really dissed the scouts.

 

Snark disengaged.

 

 

Really? Really?? I swear. Your post makes the comparison between Reagan and Obama pretty darn easy.

 

Reagan was shot in March 1981. He was recovering most of that spring. The Secret Service was concerned over security arrangements for Jambo. Also, his doctor didn't think it was a good idea since he was still recovering from his surgery. Pretty sure Obama didn't have anything like that to recover from. 

 

Reagan was recovering from Cancer surgery in 1985, sent Nancy. Was Obama recovering from anything other than too much golfing or appearing on The View? Did he send his wife to put that personal stamp on it? No. Please.

 

If you are going to be snarky at least make some basis for the snark. Comparing Reagan's "diss" of Jamboree to Obama's is apples and oranges. Reagan had legitimate health and security reasons. Obama had NOTHING!

 

You normally have some decent thoughts to your posts. This one was, well, not.

 

Regarding the Bush visit in 1989: I worked on the advance team from 1988 through 1990. I can tell you with 100% accuracy, the cluster that was that visit was ENTIRELY the fault of the BSA. NOTHING we submitted that was approved by the Secret Service was in place when the advance team arrived. The Service wouldn't let follow the intended route and plan until all areas were secured. So let's not imply that the visit was the fault of the administration. I was on the ground three weeks prior to the visit, several days before the visit and DURING the visit. That mess was on BSA. Period.

[RememberSchiff]

Regarding the Bush visit in 1989: I worked on the advance team from 1988 through 1990. I can tell you with 100% accuracy, the cluster that was that visit was ENTIRELY the fault of the BSA. NOTHING we submitted that was approved by the Secret Service was in place when the advance team arrived. The Service wouldn't let follow the intended route and plan until all areas were secured. So let's not imply that the visit was the fault of the administration. I was on the ground three weeks prior to the visit, several days before the visit and DURING the visit. That mess was on BSA. Period.

 

Okay, I'm confused.  US Army base Fort A.P. Hill, Commander-in-Chief arrives and the BSA is entirely at fault?

[Col. Flagg]

Okay, I'm confused.  US Army base Fort A.P. Hill, Commander-in-Chief arrives and the BSA is entirely at fault?

 

You'd have to know a bit about 1) the Army, 2) the Secret Service and 3) running advance operations to know why this  was an issue. I don't have time to explain, and several things I am not allowed to talk about, so you'll have to take the word from someone who was not only there, but was involved in the planning (and the resolution) of this event.

[desertrat77]

Edited:  Just re-read Colonel Flagg's note, and have deleted my previous jab at the Army's coordination skills (or lack thereof).

 

The last several years I was on active duty, I had the opportunity to help plan and host distinguished visitors (though none were presidents).

 

Even with the best planning between agencies, hiccups can happen.

 

When one agency makes no effort to work with the others, or they don't do their part, it's a train wreck from the first minute.

 

I think that's what I'm gathering from Colonel Flagg's post.

Edited July 23, 2017 by desertrat77

[desertrat77]

Though sorely tempted to type a political opinion, I shall refrain.  But an observation on personalities, for your consideration.

 

Obama and Trump:  two different temperaments.

 

The jambo will be the highlight of Trump's week.  He's a good mixer.  He'll enjoy himself.  Shaking hands, wearing several different scout hats, signing autographs, joshing and shooting breeze with everyone.

 

We rarely saw Obama at these types of venues...not his cup of tea. 

Edited July 23, 2017 by desertrat77