Backpacking and camping in New England

[RememberSchiff]

Fear is heavy, knowledge is light.

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  The key is educating Scouts and their parents BEFORE they go out and purchase gear.  i do a backpacking gear presentation every year for the new Scouts and their parents with the goal of educating them how to spend their money wisely so that their sons ENJOY backpacking.

 

or  BEFORE they punt the activity or Scouting as too expensive. IMO, this presentation needs to be well-considered with a heavy dose of thrifty, as in going with what you got and planning the activity accordingly.

 

My $0.02

Edited June 6, 2017 by RememberSchiff

[Col. Flagg]

The key is a lightweight mindset.  If you start with the premise that 30 pounds is the lowest, you've already lost.  If you start with the idea that you base weight (before food and water) should be below 20 pounds and take every opportunity to reduce your base weight -- you will suceed.

 

In my experience ultralight weight it is possible through three methods: 1) Expensive, lightweight gear, 2) Extensive research for cheaper, lightweight alternatives, and 3) Leaving out heavier necessities or cutting corners. The second option is preferred for Scouting because it is the most affordable. 

 

I do agree that planning your trek to match your crew's gear, load carrying capacity, training/experience, BSA rules/regulations and local logistical issues is the most important thing to do. All too often units overlook simplicity or safety.

[Col. Flagg]

Given this discussion I thought this was interesting.

 

I will say that the Kelty down bag, or the REI knock off, I got years ago on sale for less than $90 for me and my son. It lasted him all through Scouts and high adventure. Great, cheap (cost), high quality bag. Very light. Also, the REI pad you could get on sale in the fall for $69 and it's 16oz!!!

Edited June 8, 2017 by Col. Flagg

[DuctTape]

The typical desired attributes for sleeping bags are: warm, cheap, and light. Almost always you only get to pick 2 of them.

[Col. Flagg]

The typical desired attributes for sleeping bags are: warm, cheap, and light. Almost always you only get to pick 2 of them.

 

Agreed. Which was why I loved the fact this bag met all three. Would not use it in Texas in the summer, its been on the AT, CDT, Philmont. PCT and all through the Smokies during four seasons. I am sure there are better bags somewhere, but not with all the right points.