desertrat77 Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) Personally I had hoped that he would be one of the Key 3. Agreed, he'd be a great choice. But he's smart, confident, and he has opinions that often run contrary to what is considered "acceptable" these days. In a word, he stands on his own two feet. He'd never make the cut at National. Edited October 14, 2016 by desertrat77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David CO Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 i disagree, urging people to do what is virtuous is a good idea, and I believe voting is a virtuous act. The underpinning theory of democracy is that the people through their collective will produce the best governance. The more people who vote the more accurately our will is expressed, and therefore the better our governance will be. As for giving an opponent a ride, without hesitation, and if you have a friend voting the same way I'll drive him also. I believe in majority rule, but I do not believe that the majority is always right. I certainly don't believe that the majority is always virtuous. The majority does not always produce the best governance. Far from it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJCubScouter Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 I believe in majority rule, but I do not believe that the majority is always right. I certainly don't believe that the majority is always virtuous. The majority does not always produce the best governance. Far from it. I think the Framers of the Constitution mostly agreed with you, which is why they put in checks and balances, three national-level elected offices (President, Senate and House) all with different-length terms, super-majorities required to amend the Constitution, etc. Of course, the question of whether the majority in a given election has been right, virtuous or has produced the best governance is often a matter of one's perspective - whose ox being gored, so to speak. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJCubScouter Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Agreed, he'd be a great choice. But he's smart, confident, and he has opinions that often run contrary to what is considered "acceptable" these days. In a word, he stands on his own two feet. He'd never make the cut at National. I don't think he'd be at all interested in being involved in the bureacracy at National, or in raising money for the salaries of said bureaucrats. I think he might be interested in a mostly-honorary position such as the one Bear Grylls has in the UK. (Or at least I think its mostly honorary.) But I doubt the BSA has much interest in creating such a position at this point. One might suspect that the actual Key 3 would not be enthusiastic about overshadowing themselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_in_CA Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Huh ... how the tables turn? Mocking as right wing someone who is encouraging others to read, learn and be informed. I often hear the right being criticized as blue collar uneducated. I don't understand the arguments here. Rowe's article was pretty simple and rather bland. Essentially he's saying the country needs informed voters. Not really supporting either side. Just that we need informed voters. I agree, I don't see him taking a side. I'm a liberal, but I agree that we need voters that are thoughtful and informed. I haven't missed a national election since I became old enough to vote. But I rarely fill in the entire ballot. If I don't feel I can make an informed decision on an issue or race, I leave that part blank. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAHAWK Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 The success of democracy presupposes the obligation of the people to inform themselves on critical issues. Or we can sell governmental power like dish detergent. All those Presidents that people love to hate were elected. Given the candidates for President, at least, the trend is not encouraging. So nice to see that, even here, name-calling is still in vogue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAHAWK Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Yet another right winger complaining that too many stupid leftists vote. Guess he was wrong about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSScout Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 In several months, Mr. Trump will be asked to assume the role of "Honorary President of the Boy Scouts Of America". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwazse Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 In several months, Mr. Trump will be asked to assume the role of "Honorary President of the Boy Scouts Of America". I'll talk to my crew about preparing an invite for him to come camp with us. I think Laurel-Highlands Council's decade of "amicable" mergers will impress him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSScout Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 "" Yet another right winger complaining that too many stupid leftists vote. "" Yep, the decline in voter apathy is encouraging.... First, some people decided that somebody else (not just the king) should make decisions. Let's start with "White Male Nobility Property Owners Born In Our Country" Naw, that's not enough. Let's include ALL White Male Property Owners, not just Nobility. Ummmm. Maybe we should include White Male Property Owners, and White Female Property Owners Over 40 Years Old. (during WW1 in England) Born In Our Country. Getting better. Howzabout All White Male And Female Property Owners etc.? Okay Now we are somewhere getting. Let's fight a war and then allow People Who Are Not White, but can pass a "literacy" test..... Okay, how about Anyone Who Is A Citizen (requirements?) and not a felon? Good, good. Let's make it, "Any Citizen Over 18 years of age who wants to vote " (must voluntarily register in advance). Now to figure out how to encourage the registering AND voting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred johnson Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 (edited) "" Yet another right winger complaining that too many stupid leftists vote. "" Yep, the decline in voter apathy is encouraging.... First, some people decided that somebody else (not just the king) should make decisions. Let's start with "White Male Nobility Property Owners Born In Our Country" Naw, that's not enough. Let's include ALL White Male Property Owners, not just Nobility. Ummmm. Maybe we should include White Male Property Owners, and White Female Property Owners Over 40 Years Old. (during WW1 in England) Born In Our Country. Getting better. Howzabout All White Male And Female Property Owners etc.? Okay Now we are somewhere getting. Let's fight a war and then allow People Who Are Not White, but can pass a "literacy" test..... Okay, how about Anyone Who Is A Citizen (requirements?) and not a felon? Good, good. Let's make it, "Any Citizen Over 18 years of age who wants to vote " (must voluntarily register in advance). Now to figure out how to encourage the registering AND voting There were multiple efforts to restore felon voting rights. Now, I'd also argue there is a desire to get non-citizens to vote too. IMHO, I think that is what some of the voter ID laws were about. Edited November 14, 2016 by fred johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred johnson Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 In several months, Mr. Trump will be asked to assume the role of "Honorary President of the Boy Scouts Of America". Wow. Trump as honorary BSA president. wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David CO Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Unfortunately, the Honorary President of BSA will have no actual authority to make scouting great again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAHAWK Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 And the Cigar King too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJCubScouter Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Unfortunately, the Honorary President of BSA will have no actual authority to make scouting great again. About 10 different comments suggest themselves here, but for now I won't make any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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