Who owns troop gear?

[Ankylus]

qwazse,

First, you need to decide if you are really going to fix this problem, because to fix this problem you are going to have to go scorched earth. By that, the SM and his family need to be removed and booted. But you need to buy time until recharter probably. (We recharter in December.)

 

Remember, though, if you fail this is the guy who signs off on your son's advancement.

 

He's clearly not talking to the COR or anyone else at the CO. This is your golden opportunity, and he's a fool for this because it is providing you a chance to get the CO on your side, and the CO will always have the upper hand. (Well, not always. I have seen situations where that wasn't true. But it's a truly ugly story for another time.) You need to spend some time with the COR and, perhaps, the pastor of the church. Educate them a little bit, not only as to their rights and responsibilities, but as to what this yahoo and his family are up to. Tell the COR he doesn't have to sign the recharter paperwork until he is happy with the adult leadership.

 

To buy time, I would even suggest that he come by on occasion to watch the yahoo in action. Maybe the COR can ask the yahoo in a public forum why they aren't meeting at the church and where the equipment is. It will be harder for the yahoo to lie and the COR can explain the "misunderstanding" and the "miscommunication" in a public setting. Kill the yahoo with kindness at this point.

 

Then, suggest that the CO needs to step in and find new leadership at the SM level. Have some qualified names ready to offer for his consideration. Then, when it's time for recharter, file the paperwork with the new SM's name in it. 

 

Oh yeah, and if the SM objects and absconds wtih the equipment? Call the constable. Don't play around, because he won't. He's already established the he lies and is underhanded and devious. You will need to take strong action to counter all that. Like I said, scorched earth.

Edited May 31, 2016 by Ankylus

[jc2008]

We are taking about where a troop meets and its "stuff".

 

What we need to be talking about is

WHAT IS BEST FoR THE YOUTH!

 

If the sm is unhappy or uncomfortable with the church, move.

The church doesn't seem Overly involved as the cor don't have any

Idea much about their scout troop as op stated.

 

Ops son WANTS to be in the troop so obviously something is being done right

If kids want to be in troop.

 

No one is trying to run off with the troops stuff that belongs to the co to have for

Personal use. The stuff is still being used by the scouts and again what is best for the youth

Comes up again.

 

I would stop trying to stir the pot about item ownership if the things in question are still being used

For their intended purpose: To Give the youth a good scouting program

 

As for the other complaints, when adults cannot get along in units, there is one easy solution which is for

The adults who are unhappy to form a new unit. More often than not you get a new found respect for all

The grievances you had with the old regime.

[TAHAWK]

 Typically, a Scout wants to be in a troop because of other Scouts in the troop. especially his patrol.  The goals and methods of Boy Scouting are not foremost in his decision-making.  Also, he probably has nothing to which to compare the troop he is in.

[SpEdScouter]

qwazse,

First, you need to decide if you are really going to fix this problem, because to fix this problem you are going to have to go scorched earth. By that, the SM and his family need to be removed and booted. But you need to buy time until recharter probably. (We recharter in December.)

 

Remember, though, if you fail this is the guy who signs off on your son's advancement.

 

He's clearly not talking to the COR or anyone else at the CO. This is your golden opportunity, and he's a fool for this because it is providing you a chance to get the CO on your side, and the CO will always have the upper hand. (Well, not always. I have seen situations where that wasn't true. But it's a truly ugly story for another time.) You need to spend some time with the COR and, perhaps, the pastor of the church. Educate them a little bit, not only as to their rights and responsibilities, but as to what this yahoo and his family are up to. Tell the COR he doesn't have to sign the recharter paperwork until he is happy with the adult leadership.

 

To buy time, I would even suggest that he come by on occasion to watch the yahoo in action. Maybe the COR can ask the yahoo in a public forum why they aren't meeting at the church and where the equipment is. It will be harder for the yahoo to lie and the COR can explain the "misunderstanding" and the "miscommunication" in a public setting. Kill the yahoo with kindness at this point.

 

Then, suggest that the CO needs to step in and find new leadership at the SM level. Have some qualified names ready to offer for his consideration. Then, when it's time for recharter, file the paperwork with the new SM's name in it. 

 

Oh yeah, and if the SM objects and absconds wtih the equipment? Call the constable. Don't play around, because he won't. He's already established the he lies and is underhanded and devious. You will need to take strong action to counter all that. Like I said, scorched earth.

 

I just wonder what if Mr. "Yahoo" is reading this right now?