scout weekly $1 dues?

[blw2]

build up in each patrol's bag, then when it got to be "too much", they found a need for the money... but I can't remember if they said pizza or some special activity

    like CalicoPenn's "Treat it like a Christmas Club account"

    or if it was used to buy some sort of needed equipment for the troop

 

    "What's the rationale behind the QM handing the funds and not the Scribe? "

    "Sorry, scribe not QM. My brain is fried after work today."

I figured it was a case of each patrol not having it's own scribe.  That seems to be a less frequently filled patrol level POR... as best as I can tell, most troops are more like ours.... the patrols have PL and APL... and the patrol as a whole selects or elects grub masters and other PORs as needed and rotates things around... and then the Troop has things like QM, SCRIBE, etc...

I'm not saying I think this is the way it SHOULD be, mind you....

 

    "My question would be whether the PLC controls da budget, eh?   If you're goin' to teach kids real responsibility, give 'em a real task.  Let da PLC             control the budget and manage the fundraisin'.  Let the Scribe be junior treasurer with real access to the books."

     "Let the PL's collect $ for food or fees for the next campout, perhaps.   And if a PL wants to do that by electronic funds transfer or whatnot, more              power to him!"

yeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out how to balance and steer towards.  At this point, the scouts aren't involved in budgeting at all, as far as I know.  I've not sat in on a PLC so I don't know if things are ever discussed.... but one things for certain, if they are it's very high level stuff since they don't have the data...

 

@@Beavah, since you've been AWOL for a while, you've been out of the loop so you've likely not seen my fairly recent thread asking how other troop treasurers are working all this sort of stuff.  I'd be interested in more info about what your troop and treasurer are doing with finances. (not just Beavah, anyone else for that matter too!)

[Stosh]

If money is collected from the scout personally, there is nothing in the IRS rulings that say the scout can't spend it anyway he may wish.  It's his own account that he has funded out of his resources and was not gotten through any charitable process.  It would be no different than if the boy put the money in the bank and then pulled it out when needed for scouting.  It just makes the pulling out and paying a bit easier, a journal entry rather than running to the bank and waiting in line.

 

If it requires $50 registration, etc. for the boy each year, there's nothing in the book, BSA or IRS that says the boy can't set aside at his own discretion, $50 of his own money in his ISA.  When registration rolls around there's no lump sum, no installment plan, no weekly or monthly dues, just a journal entry and it's over and done with until next year.  So the boy heads out to shovel walks, gets $10 and puts it in his ISA for next year.  This is not charitable income through fund raising for the troop, this is the boy's own personal money held in trust by the troop treasury.  When the boy leaves the troop, he is entitled, no questions asked, to have HIS money back.  Of course if the CO goes bankrupt or the troop folds, he gets his money.  If the troop uses that money for any reason it is stealing from the boy.

[SSScout]

Back in prehistory, my Eagle Patrol  collected a buck each week.  Patrol Treasurer kept the little  pipe tobacco zippered bag and had to account for each meeting.  I was Patrol Treasurer for awhile, I remember having upwards of $30 or $40. in it at times.   We would then use this to buy supplies to make our flag, take everybody to a movie,  buy plywood to build a box, even amortize the cost of our camp food or buy another Patrol Cook kit after the big pot on ours was lost down a big hill on a hike. 

The official Scout Dues were collected also by the Patrol Treasurer and given to the Troop Treasurer, parent check, cash etc.  the Patrol Treasurer wrote out a receipt, as I remember doing.

 

Boy led?   Boy follow? 

[Beavah]

At this point, the scouts aren't involved in budgeting at all, as far as I know.

 

Yah, @@blw2, if yeh want somethin' to spur da conversation, take a look at the Journey to Excellence scorecard for troops, eh?   Right there in black and white, highest points for the boys bein' involved in setting and monitoring the troop budget.

 

Just remember, yeh have to pull, encourage, and inspire people, eh?  Not push 'em.  Even the best of us hate to be pushed.

 

I'll see if I can find yer other thread on treasurers.

 

Beavah

[Stosh]

The boys may not be involved in the budgeting of the entire troop, but a cursory review of expenses might be beneficial, BUT they should be involved in the patrol finances on patrol fund raising, budgeting and equipment and program expenditures.  This process could involve patrol dues, but it also could be for the patrol's portion of the popcorn sales as well.