John-in-KC Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 The Archbishop of St Louis is not happy about the values of Girl and Boy Scouting Two paragraphs... "St. Louis Archbishop Robert Carlson has issued a letter calling on parishes to seek alternatives to Girl Scouts, arguing that the program and related organizations conflict with Roman Catholic teaching." "Carlson’s letter further references concerns with the Boy Scouts of America, wondering “in which direction this once trusted organization is now headed†in terms of protections to religious organizations." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle94-A1 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 WOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stosh Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 First North Dakota, now Missouri.... what's next. It's only a matter of time before these organizations become political enough to get a lot of pushback from the more mainline Christian organizations. What one is seeing here is NOT the ultra conservative right wing evangelicals, but the mainline traditional churches reacting to the line in the sand BSA and GS/USA have drawn. Well, these organizations can rationalize it all they want, but the standards of 2,000 years of tradition don't just blow away in the modern political winds. This is only the tip of the iceberg. One might have expected it from the majorly conservative Christians, but these people are the moderates that are now walking away from the BSA and GS/USA programs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalicoPenn Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Neither the Archbishop of St. Louis nor the Bishop of Bismarck are moderates. Both are aligned with the conservative wing of the Catholic Church. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stosh Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Maybe it makes no difference which way they lean politically/theologically, the difference is the impact that is made on the program. Nothing comes from the polarizing dynamics in play in today's political arena. Everything is defined by us and them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiker67 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Perhaps the new-found concern of the archdiocese for children is a diversion from other things: Archdiocese of St. Louis ordered to produce 20 years of documents on sexual abuse (March 11, 2015) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertrat77 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) Perhaps the new-found concern of the archdiocese for children is a diversion from other things: Archdiocese of St. Louis ordered to produce 20 years of documents on sexual abuse (March 11, 2015) Perhaps they are cleaning house. Edited February 21, 2016 by desertrat77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagledad Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) "Carlson’s letter further references concerns with the Boy Scouts of America, wondering “in which direction this once trusted organization is now headed†in terms of protections to religious organizations." Interesting quote. I was thinking of the comments I read a few months ago from a clergyman for one of the US churches that voted to accept a gay clergy and perform gay marriages (I can't remember which one now). He said the US church leaders fully expected the church to grow from the change, but that wasn't happening. He was concerned for the future of the church and wondered if the changes had caused a distrust in the members. I scratch my head trying to understand how any rational person can see growth from splitting the base with a change of doctrine. The organization looses much of the base and all of it's integrity. It seems the Catholic church has some challenges a head with this new Pope. Barry Edited February 21, 2016 by Eagledad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krampus Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Neither the Archbishop of St. Louis nor the Bishop of Bismarck are moderates. Both are aligned with the conservative wing of the Catholic Church. Based on what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2Eagle Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 From the Archbishop's letter: "Organizations that GSUSA promotes and partners with are conflict with Catholic values, such as Amnesty International, Coalition for Adolescent Girls, OxFam and more." It certainly possible to disagree with some of the actions or policies of those organizations, no organization, including my Catholic Church, is perfect. But it seems pretty extreme and dubious to claim that those three organizations conflict with Catholic values. There is certainly no church-wide prohibition of supporting or working with those organizations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentinel947 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 So many experts on Catholicism that aren't actually Catholic. Bishop can decide what ministries his diocese supports or not. I'd be disappointed if my Bishop made that decision, but it's his prerogative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalicoPenn Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Based on what? Based on their biographies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krampus Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) Based on their biographies Besides his pro-life stance, what other things has he done that align him with the conservative wing of Catholics? I don't know many Catholic leaders that condone abortion. Do you? That does not make him conservative relative to the Church, that puts him smack dab on the average spectrum. It puts him to the right in secular society, but hardly makes him a conservative Catholic. Edited February 21, 2016 by Krampus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrinator Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 I don't know much about Bp. Kagan but if I had to call Abp. Carlson something, I would call him a moderate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberSchiff Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Questioning our values? The BSA should not recharter any units in Archbishop Robert Carlson's diocese due to youth protection concerns. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/religion/st-louis-archbishop-didnt-know-sex-children-was-crime-n127291 http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/faith-and-values/st-louis-archbishop-carlson-claims-to-be-uncertain-if-he/article_4215ecea-3409-53b3-813b-545c81a1b793.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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