Which Shoulder Loops?

[Eagle94-A1]

red?

I thought we were the last unit using red!

 Some time long ago, going back when it was fully adult led....somebody in our unit decided to keep red loops and red numbers instead of switching to the green.  Apparently i has come up more recently like within the last 2 years and the boys decided to keep red

At our last committee mtg I heard from the new SM taht we are switching to green....

yeah!

I don't like the red....

and half our troop is wearing green, transfers in, new scouts, etc... we were having an ex leader make them and so they were a pain.

 

I'm still in blue, since the scoutshop is 45minutes in the wrong direction for me.

I have green ones on order form before I learned this...only because red weren't availble

now I need to order green numbers and trained patch!

 

 

Be advised of the following.

 

1)  National training Committee has come out and stated it does not matter what color centennial trained patch you wear. So Cub leaders can wear the centennial tan and green and Boy Scout leaders can wear the centennial sized red on tan. So you do not need to change your trained strip once you get the POR specific training

 

2) When the literature came out in regards to the centennial uniforms, it stated that the older uniform items, aka "Oscar de lea Rentas" and "ODLs", and the Centennial Uniforms items were interchangeable. So you don't need to change the numbers either if you are within the same CO.

 

3) While now the literature shows Webelos and Cub Scout leaders wearing the white on red numbers, the literature that came out with the CUs showed everyone wearing the tan and green numbers. So if Cub leaders or Webelos are in tan and greens, they are wearing  "Vintage" 2008-2009 uniforms.

 

4) Did they ever make the tan on red numbers? I saw one BSA flyer online for about a week that had the Cub leaders and Webelos in red numbers on a tan background. 

 

In reference to Vintage uniforms and insignia,  yep it's a pain to find the stuff. I finally gave up looking for the blue on gold CS diamond pack numbers for my wife's uniform. I went ahead and used the fully embroidered red and white numbers.  Only the die hard historians will know she's wearing the wrong numbers.  Yep I finally seduced her to the Dark Side again. And she's upgraded to wearing a uniform this time since she is an ADL instead of a committee member.

[Stosh]

I've been able to use E-Bay for my source of vintage stuff, but I've looked for years and some stuff never comes up.  I got lucky on the community strip.  I got it off of E-Bay only to find out it was being sold by a scouter a few miles away. 

 

Go to old clothing stores and antique shops, the vintage uniforms are there and the one-size-fits all community strip is often just down the street.

[qwazse]

Regarding council strips ... you need to ask yourself, if nothing changed about the uniform except my council circulated a new patch for my sleeve, what would I do?

 

I think most folks would put take off their community strip and put the new patch on.

 

Sometimes, you just gotta make compromises.

Edited February 11, 2016 by qwazse

[Stosh]

I kinda like the community strips, more information than trying to memorize a ton of troop numbers and where they are from.

 

BTW,

 

1910 uniform with appropriate hat/collar brass and BSA buttons.  Finding a community strip for the 1960 uniform was a piece of cake, buttons?  they're a whole different ballgame.

 

If one were to look closely at the equipment, it too is historically correct right down to the tent pegs. 

 

 

[Stosh]

1910 - 1960 - 2010

[blw2]

 

This gentleman was one of my Eagle scouts.  The uniform he is wearing is the same one he did his Eagle project in.  It's the same uniform he wore every week to meetings.  As you can tell from the insignia and Eagle knot he was at the time my ASM.  He went and got appropriate 1960's ASM patch when he aged out.  He had a difficult time, but he did find the community strip, too.

 

Any historic uniform is a valid BSA uniform, but one must make sure the insignia is historic as well.

 

It's the tent I notice more in this shot....I can almost smell that old canvas!

 

And this latter point is the problem I've run into with historic uniforming. I don't want to slap a modern CSP on an old uniform because it will look silly. Does anyone know if there's any place out there that manufactures repro community strips? I've been able to find vintage square knots, positions patches, etc., but the community strips are much more difficult. I've been able to find one for the city out of which our council is based (and of which my small city is a 'burb), and that may be the best I'm able to do unless I can find someone out there reproducing them.

I spent a little time looking a couple years back, and had little luck.  I did find a site that had some, but as I recall it was mostly the more modern council shoulder patches.  Sorry, I don't recall the site though.

 

I had a canvas briefcase type bag taht I used to take misc stuff to each meeting.  I wanted to sew some of my old scout patches on.  thought it might be a conversation starter.

I had a few old patches taht my mom had saved for me (I had no idea she had them till my son started cubs)  Anyway, she didn't keep any of my troop patches, so I searched...

I ended up ordering from that site, some older but more modern council patches for each place where I was a scout, and sewed them on.

I carried taht bag to almost every cub meeting for 4 years or a bit more....

and I sometimes wore my old bicentennial necker complete with Liberty Bell Woggle from 1976

Not once, never, did anyone ask me about any of it, or even comment.  I still find that hard to believe.

 

Be advised of the following.

 

1)  National training Committee has come out and stated it does not matter what color centennial trained patch you wear. So Cub leaders can wear the centennial tan and green and Boy Scout leaders can wear the centennial sized red on tan. So you do not need to change your trained strip once you get the POR specific training

 

2) When the literature came out in regards to the centennial uniforms, it stated that the older uniform items, aka "Oscar de lea Rentas" and "ODLs", and the Centennial Uniforms items were interchangeable. So you don't need to change the numbers either if you are within the same CO.

 

3) While now the literature shows Webelos and Cub Scout leaders wearing the white on red numbers, the literature that came out with the CUs showed everyone wearing the tan and green numbers. So if Cub leaders or Webelos are in tan and greens, they are wearing  "Vintage" 2008-2009 uniforms.

 

4) Did they ever make the tan on red numbers? I saw one BSA flyer online for about a week that had the Cub leaders and Webelos in red numbers on a tan background. 

 

In reference to Vintage uniforms and insignia,  yep it's a pain to find the stuff. I finally gave up looking for the blue on gold CS diamond pack numbers for my wife's uniform. I went ahead and used the fully embroidered red and white numbers.  Only the die hard historians will know she's wearing the wrong numbers.  Yep I finally seduced her to the Dark Side again. And she's upgraded to wearing a uniform this time since she is an ADL instead of a committee member.

Thank you very much!

That is great to know.  Now I won't be quite so concerned about changing them out.  Might even get lazy and leave them on till I get a new shirt.... and it will save me from feeling like I need to encourage my son to change his, too!

 

1910 - 1960 - 2010

 

ahh, Stosh... there's a problem.

Where's the tandem axle troop trailer for that 2010 vintage campsite?

[Stosh]

It's the tent I notice more in this shot....I can almost smell that old canvas!

 

I spent a little time looking a couple years back, and had little luck.  I did find a site that had some, but as I recall it was mostly the more modern council shoulder patches.  Sorry, I don't recall the site though.

 

I had a canvas briefcase type bag taht I used to take misc stuff to each meeting.  I wanted to sew some of my old scout patches on.  thought it might be a conversation starter.

I had a few old patches taht my mom had saved for me (I had no idea she had them till my son started cubs)  Anyway, she didn't keep any of my troop patches, so I searched...

I ended up ordering from that site, some older but more modern council patches for each place where I was a scout, and sewed them on.

I carried taht bag to almost every cub meeting for 4 years or a bit more....

and I sometimes wore my old bicentennial necker complete with Liberty Bell Woggle from 1976

Not once, never, did anyone ask me about any of it, or even comment.  I still find that hard to believe.

 

Thank you very much!

That is great to know.  Now I won't be quite so concerned about changing them out.  Might even get lazy and leave them on till I get a new shirt.... and it will save me from feeling like I need to encourage my son to change his, too!

 

 

ahh, Stosh... there's a problem.

Where's the tandem axle troop trailer for that 2010 vintage campsite?

 

What you don't see just off a ways away is the van with the 14' kayak on it that got wet in the river behind there later that day. 

 

And I thought I was the only one left that slept in pup tents for just that reason. 

Edited February 11, 2016 by Stosh

[blw2]

What you don't see just off a ways away is the van with the 14' kayak on it that got wet in the river behind there later that day. 

 

And I thought I was the only one left that slept in pup tents for just that reason. 

no... you still might be the only one Stosh.

I'm just flashing back from a long ago fond memory

I haven't slept in one since the late 1970's

 

I was shopping tents for my son recently, wanting to get him a cheaper starter tent for his first few troop outings.  I'm not going to let him and his buddies loose in my new REI halfdome.  It doesn't seem nearly sturdy enough for that.... until those new scouts learn to settle down a bit.  

Anyway, i was shopping around online for him and seriously thought about buying one of the modern twists on the pup tent.  I ended up realizing that it was my own nostalgia and not a practical idea, so I didn't even presenting the idea to him.  the ones I saw were more expensive than I wanted to spend anyway.

[Stosh]

Of the three tents in the picture taken 6 years ago, quit using the white canvas 2 years ago, the WW II Pup was last fall's camporee and the modern tent was last November with the Mrs.  I'm under canvas at least a half dozen times a year.

 

With the sleeves, clips, rain flies, etc. I can still pitch the pup faster than the boys can getting their modern tents up.  A low cot, bag tossed on top, leave the pack against the tree, we're done.  Usually less than 10 minutes.

Edited February 11, 2016 by Stosh

[archimago]

Stosh, those pics are so cool! You've inspired me to start seeking out a pup tent now, too... 

 

I think I'll probably just go with the big city community strip and keep my eye on local antique/thrift stores for a more accurate community strip.

[Stosh]

Go with E-Bay, reasonably inexpensive.  Make sure 2 poles of 3 sections each, no tears, all snaps, rest is not too bad.  I have a low cot 4" legs, fits nicely, move to middle in rain storm.  No floor, just let the water run through, not a problem. double ends means plenty of room for "night stand" and place for boots, etc.  No floor means you can crawl around without wrecking the non-existent floor.  My has stood up really well to thunderstorms, don't touch the canvas, no leaks. I run a clothesline inside between poles for tomorrow's change, that way I don't have to hassle in close quarters in the morning.  A throw rug works well and if it rains, just hang it up on the clothesline out of the way of any water flowing.  Used to trench the tents but can't do that anymore, just pick your tent spot a bit more carefully and you'll do okay.  Nothing better than laying there at night listening to the night noises and smelling canvas.  Don't get that with the nylon stuff. 

[Krampus]

Cot? Cot?

[Stosh]

At 65, a cot is nice.  It's my version of a tandem axle troop trailer. 

 

I have stepped up from a Ridgerest to a Thermorest, but I still use the Ridgerest a lot because it's less bulky. 

 

OKAY, OKAY!  I confess!  The Mrs. had a second Thermorest and she tempted me with her womanly wiles,  You happy now!   

[Krampus]

A cot in a pup tent is like low-rider shocks on a 850i.

[Sentinel947]

There's a troop in AZ or NM (can't remember) that attended camp with us. Small unit. They wear the old 1960s style pants, shirts and the old garrison cap. They looked SHARP!!!! What they could not buy in surplus one of the kid's grandmothers made. Classic look.

I wish the uniforms looked like that now honestly.