walk in the woods Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) I'm not Catholic so offered without comment: http://www.nccs-bsa.org/pdf/Knights/KOCLetter111815.pdf http://nccs-bsa.org/national/KnightsSupportingScouting.php Edited December 8, 2015 by walk in the woods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krampus Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Note a big deal per se. Simply a reorganization still under the Catholic umbrella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdidochas Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I'm not Catholic so offered without comment: http://www.nccs-bsa.org/pdf/Knights/KOCLetter111815.pdf http://nccs-bsa.org/national/KnightsSupportingScouting.php No big deal. They are simply asking the Knights to transfer the charters to the parishes. My troop is sponsored by a Catholic Parish already, so it's no big deal to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrinator Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 This is a weird statement, to say the least: In response to a message of Pope Francis during the World Meeting of Families in which he called for a new alliance between the Church and the family, the organization has decided to phase out these programs while re-focusing its efforts on providing financial and volunteer support to Scout units and other youth activities that are sponsored by parishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrinator Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Note a big deal per se. Simply a reorganization still under the Catholic umbrella.Assuming that parish sponsors can be found for over 1000 troops. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krampus Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 This is a weird statement, to say the least: Not really. KoC is refocusing giving financial and volunteer support to units. They are leaving the sponsorship to the parishes. It's a simple reorganization. Assuming that parish sponsors can be found for over 1000 troops.The parish themselves will sponsor them. It sounds like if you were a KoC unit you will be moved to a local church. It would be good to hear from a KoC unit to see what they are experiencing. Our local KoC unit is simply moving to the church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBob Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Looks like legal positioning to me. Now why would KoC worry about being sued? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustThinking Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Looking at the statement at face value, the Pope wants the parish church to be the focal point of Catholic life. So the KoC is stepping aside and saying they want the troops to be given over to the parish. It almost makes some sense because pre 1950s the local parish was what a Catholic family revolved around. They were baptized, went to school, married, and buried there. My question is will the parishes take the troops and the potential legal problems that come with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blw2 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I'm not a knight, but I thought they were already "under" a parish.... more or less chartered by the one they meet at and where all their members attend mass. That's the way it seems around here.... but then, what do I know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrinator Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I'm not a knight, but I thought they were already "under" a parish.... more or less chartered by the one they meet at and where all their members attend mass. That's the way it seems around here.... but then, what do I know... KofC councils are not under parishes. They are sometimes (? frequently?) associated with parishes though. Even then I don't think there is anything preventing members joining a council from other parishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrinator Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Not really. KoC is refocusing giving financial and volunteer support to units. They are leaving the sponsorship to the parishes. It's a simple reorganization.I don't think it's that simple. The parishes will have to pick up the charters. In any given case the pastor could refuse. Or the local parish might already have a troop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdidochas Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I'm not a knight, but I thought they were already "under" a parish.... more or less chartered by the one they meet at and where all their members attend mass. That's the way it seems around here.... but then, what do I know... Locally, we have a few KoC groups that are multi-parish. We tend to have fairly small parishes here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krampus Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I don't think it's that simple. The parishes will have to pick up the charters. In any given case the pastor could refuse. Or the local parish might already have a troop. The press does not seem to echo any concern. Can't find a single story about it last I looked. I can't see the church turning down any units. The units in my area are already "absorbed" in to the Catholic parish. They have new meeting locations, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustThinking Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 The press does not seem to echo any concern. Can't find a single story about it last I looked. I can't see the church turning down any units. The units in my area are already "absorbed" in to the Catholic parish. They have new meeting locations, etc. I can see some doing it. The first time that someone is turned down for a adult leader position and they sue a church.... Katie bar the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krampus Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I can see some doing it. The first time that someone is turned down for a adult leader position and they sue a church.... Katie bar the door. That threat was always there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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