SOCALTROJAN Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 We have an parent who wants to be an active member of our troop but has been a victim of identity theft and does not want to give his Social Security Number on the application. He is a retired Naval Officer and is currently employed as a Federal Employee with a Secret clearance. So he receives a complete background check every 4-6 years. Is there an alternative way to meet the background check requirements without him having to give his SS#? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred johnson Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 He can better protect his registration by handing it right to the registrar in the council office. It's the registrar's job to process and protect the information. Otherwise, NO. Instead, have him do support tasks that do not involve direct contact with children or significant financial or over sight authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle94-A1 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Ditto what Fred said. We had a volunteer in a similar situation, ID theft victim, who personally delivered the paperwork to the council office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoutldr Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Those of us with government clearances are taught that we shouldn't advertise that fact nor disclose our level of access to those who don't have a need to know. We've even been told to quit advertising that we are affiliated with the military by scraping decals and stickers off our cars, don't wear military-themed clothing and cleanse our social media presence. Just sayin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred johnson Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Been there. (and learned to hate 60 page applications.) It explains the caution, but it doesn't give a get-out-of-jail-free card. Working with kids requires a background check. Every background check I've seen requires a SS# and probably a drivers license number too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberSchiff Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Working with kids requires a background check. Every background check I've seen requires a SS# and probably a drivers license number too. I wish there was some reciprocity agreement or maybe a national known good guy list. Some way without having to go through yet another background check and revealing your SS# and other critical ID info each time you volunteer. BTW, it can be a PITA for us old farts as some background checks are required to go back your whole adult life where record storage pre-dates computer, i.e., microfiche, okay and maybe stone tablets too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonG172 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 we had never required individuals to provide ss#'s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJCubScouter Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 we had never required individuals to provide ss#'s It has been required on the adult leader application for more than 10 years. As for the original poster's question, maybe the prospective leader should call or try to meet with the Scout Executive (at the council office) to see if some accommodation can be made. I doubt it, but you never know until you ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred johnson Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 ... or maybe a national known good guy list. ... Yeah, BUT ... HOW ??? ... How do you say it's THAT person? ... Or that John Johnson or that Steve Smith ?? Address? Phone? Drivers license? People have multiple phones and often move and sometimes move across states. Or, Jim Jorgenson of Ames, IA is okay, but his distant cousin Jim Jorgenson (also in Ames IA) is a real creep. Less than a finger print or a DNA sample, it's hard to have a unique identifier. It's why it always comes down to SS#. It was part of the problem with the old BSA ineligible volunteer files. Slight name change. Move across state boundaries. It was easy to hide from your past. It is much harder now with SS#s. Not impossible, but harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattlePioneer Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 <> Didn't you just gratuitously disclose that you have a security clearance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberSchiff Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Yeah, BUT ... HOW ??? ... How do you say it's THAT person? ... Or that John Johnson or that Steve Smith ?? Address? Phone? Drivers license? People have multiple phones and often move and sometimes move across states. Or, Jim Jorgenson of Ames, IA is okay, but his distant cousin Jim Jorgenson (also in Ames IA) is a real creep. Less than a finger print or a DNA sample, it's hard to have a unique identifier. It's why it always comes down to SS#. It was part of the problem with the old BSA ineligible volunteer files. Slight name change. Move across state boundaries. It was easy to hide from your past. It is much harder now with SS#s. Not impossible, but harder. Same way THEY know for the Don't Fly List ...what's good for the goose is good for the gander As you mentioned, the answer was suppose to be biometric data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJCubScouter Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Didn't you just gratuitously disclose that you have a security clearance? Well, only if his real name is "scoutldr" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stosh Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Would governmental security clearance cover everything the BSA looks at? Stosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torchwood Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Would governmental security clearance cover everything the BSA looks at? Stosh Probably, but the agencies that are used to obtain clearances are highly unlikely to share information, and it isn't like we get a card with our clearance level printed on it that we could show the Council Office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stosh Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Probably, but the agencies that are used to obtain clearances are highly unlikely to share information, and it isn't like we get a card with our clearance level printed on it that we could show the Council Office. A DUI when one is 21 years old might not be a big deal anymore to the government after 10 years, but BSA might not want to risk it. Stosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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