AZMike Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 (edited) They can. Many units choose their own, and many units allow Patrols to make their own as well. Great way to show pride in your group. Oops. I used the word pride. Can't have that. I note the word "partisan" as well. Not sure what is partisan, other than that the Democratic Party has recently tried to jump on the bandwagon (Obama was against gay marriage before he was for it after all. Eric Holder defended DOMA, then supported gay marriage. etc). The Boy Scouts for Equality (the name of their group per the NYC Pride page) was joined by Corporations (Wal Mart, Chipotle, Macys, Marriott, Penguin Random House), some sports leagues (soccer, rugby and softball at a glance), Religious groups ( Eastern Orthodox, A Baptists, Catholics, several Jewish groups), plus the usual politicians. The Democratic Party did appear to have more marchers - not surprised for both a gay event and one in New York City. Disappointed the Log Cabin Republicans were not there. You can peruse the list of marching groups here: http://www.nycpride.org/uploads/Orde...hbySection.pdf You should probably differentiate here - although some official representatives of various sects did participate, neither the One Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church, nor the Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church participated - instead, you had a couple of groups of schismatics... I shudder to think of Scouts walking in a group with these guys: "it would be difficult to chastise the scouts and leaders for participation. We do have to practice what we preach ... A Scout is Brave. A Scout can face danger although he is afraid. He has the courage to stand for what he thinks is right even if others laugh at him or threaten him." I don't think I want one of these guys to be a Leatherwork MB Counselor... Edited July 23, 2015 by FScouter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJCubScouter Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 AZMike, none of that answers Packsaddle's question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZMike Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 Sure it does. I raised the issue of how we would handle the (inevitable) desire to use Scouts in LGBT parades, and I was told that my ideas were based on "purely fear motivated nonsense," that I was fanning the "flames of panic and fear," and so forth. In other words, there's nothing to worry about. It Can't Happen Here, and if it does, why, the Local Option will make everything good. I can go back and find more comments that were made a few years back when a Canadian scout troop participated in an LGBT parade, and we were assured that It Can't Happen Here...if the moderators would fix the freaking search function on this site, which doesn't access all the posts before the software changeover. I think I've demonstrated my point sufficiently enough with more recent posts that it is not worth the time for me to go back and reread every LGBT post on this forum just to provide more evidence, especially as I doubt that you will change your mind even if I take the time to do so, and as you still have not responded to the simple question I asked you. My free time is not inexhaustible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pint Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 The LondonPride event made front page on the UK Scout Association website http://www.scouts.org.uk and a full news item here: http://scouts.org.uk/news/2014/06/scout-pride/ text from above link: Scouts took part in a fantastic London Pride celebration on Saturday. It’s the sixth year that we’ve attended this LGBT event, and the turnout was bigger than ever. We were there to show the thousands of spectators that Scouting is diverse, inclusive and welcoming to people from all walks of life. For the first time, we were joined by young people between the ages of 16 and 18. The revellers at Pride were in high spirits despite some drizzly weather. Almost 90 people – including volunteers, young people and staff – represented Scouting in the parade through central London. They were decked out in bright purple I-scout T-shirts and some dressed up as adventurous Scout activities, wearing kayaks and tents. This year Scouts were at the head of the parade, with an eye-catching, decorated Scout-branded coach (courtesy of our partner National Express). For the first time we held a pre-Pride event. Dean Jefferys (Regional Commissioner for London), Matt Mills (Regional Commissioner for East of England) and author and campaigner James Wharton set the scene on why Pride is so important. There was also the opportunity to network and find out about our team of Specialist Advisers in Inclusion and Diversity. Our attendance at Pride was organised with FLAGS, the National Scout Active Support Unit which supports LGBT adults in Scouting. As part of our commitment to diversity, we’ve created new resources on gender identity and sexual orientation in partnership with the charities Stonewall, The Gender Trust and Mermaids. Watch our , shown in Trafalgar Square during the celebrations. Check out our Facebook album of Pride photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huzzar Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Couple of things to point out though. 1) The UK Scout Association did not unilaterally decide to allow gay adults to be leaders. Tony Blair's left wing government passed legislation forcing them to comply. 2) If you make any statements about homosexuality being immoral in the UK you risk a visit from Plod investigating a hate crime. Carry on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJCubScouter Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 ...if the moderators would fix the freaking search function on this site' date=' which doesn't access all the posts before the software changeover.[/quote'] The moderators WOULD... if we could. But we have no more ability to do that than you do. I can't even get some of the things I supposedly CAN do to work right. When I try to move a thread from one sub-forum to another, it has a tendency to end up in some random sub-forum where I didn't ask it to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Ding Dong Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 "I shudder to think of Scouts walking in a group with these guys:" I have seen scarier OA costumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packsaddle Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 AZMike, it does not. Here's what you wrote: "It's sad, but there were people arguing for admitting gays into the BSA on this forum who were insisting this kind of thing would never - never! - happen." At which time I asked for names, evidence of what you had just claimed. Note that your claim which I quoted above does not mention that it is your 'impression' or your 'opinion' or your 'interpretation' of earlier responses to this issue. It is a claim that forum members insisted that this kind of thing would "...never - never! - happen." And in that list of quotes you subsequently supplied I do not observe a single instance of such a statement...I know for sure that I never did. You're entitled to make a personal interpretation of statements but you're not entitled to put words into the mouths of others. If you have an opinion or an impression, by all means, please express it. But do not misrepresent it as someone else's statement if your impression or interpretation is all that it actually IS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fehler Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Until pride parades are rife with other youth groups (4-Hers, GSUSA, Boys and Girls Clubs, etc) I don't see a need to include the Boy Scouts. Churches, VFW Posts, political parties, civic groups, are adult organizations. If the BSA is the only youth group there, something is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZMike Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 Until pride parades are rife with other youth groups (4-Hers' date=' GSUSA, Boys and Girls Clubs, etc) I don't see a need to include the Boy Scouts. Churches, VFW Posts, political parties, civic groups, are adult organizations. If the BSA is the only youth group there, something is wrong.[/quote'] Agreed. If an adult leader knowingly allows boys to enter into a parade filled with that kind of deviancy, why would you trust him to lead them safely on a canoeing trip or trek? What does it say about his (or her) judgement and stability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZMike Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 "I shudder to think of Scouts walking in a group with these guys:" I have seen scarier OA costumes. I don't think any boy should participate in any OA "Ordeal" in your neck of the woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZMike Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 Couple of things to point out though. 1) The UK Scout Association did not unilaterally decide to allow gay adults to be leaders. Tony Blair's left wing government passed legislation forcing them to comply. 2) If you make any statements about homosexuality being immoral in the UK you risk a visit from Plod investigating a hate crime. Interesting. I didn't know that. Let me offer my thanks today and tomorrow to Messrs. John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and George Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZMike Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) The LondonPride event made front page on the UK Scout Association website http://www.scouts.org.uk and a full news item here:http://scouts.org.uk/news/2014/06/scout-pride/ text from above link: Scouts took part in a fantastic London Pride celebration on Saturday. It’s the sixth year that we’ve attended this LGBT event, and the turnout was bigger than ever. We were there to show the thousands of spectators that Scouting is diverse, inclusive and welcoming to people from all walks of life. For the first time, we were joined by young people between the ages of 16 and 18. The revellers at Pride were in high spirits despite some drizzly weather. Almost 90 people – including volunteers, young people and staff – represented Scouting in the parade through central London. They were decked out in bright purple I-scout T-shirts and some dressed up as adventurous Scout activities, wearing kayaks and tents. This year Scouts were at the head of the parade, with an eye-catching, decorated Scout-branded coach (courtesy of our partner National Express). For the first time we held a pre-Pride event. Dean Jefferys (Regional Commissioner for London), Matt Mills (Regional Commissioner for East of England) and author and campaigner James Wharton set the scene on why Pride is so important. There was also the opportunity to network and find out about our team of Specialist Advisers in Inclusion and Diversity. Our attendance at Pride was organised with FLAGS, the National Scout Active Support Unit which supports LGBT adults in Scouting. As part of our commitment to diversity, we’ve created new resources on gender identity and sexual orientation in partnership with the charities Stonewall, The Gender Trust and Mermaids. Watch our , shown in Trafalgar Square during the celebrations. Check out our Facebook album of Pride photos. So Scouts were taken into this environment, eh? Include me out, as Yogi Berra said... Edited July 23, 2015 by FScouter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJCubScouter Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Let me offer my thanks today and tomorrow to Messrs. John Adams' date=' Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and George Washington. [/quote'] Uhhhhh, right... because other than differing attitudes on the issue of gays in Scouting, there is no reason to be thankful that our Founding Fathers founded a new country here. Is that it? ::Rolls eyes:: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAHAWK Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 It is not always clear in the U.S.A. that government cannot impose the beliefs of a minority, or temporary majority, on persons who hold other beliefs. Our record is mixed. But at least we have a consitutition and, so, a hope that government will not be the only arbiter of acceptable belief. This has, over the years, produced examples where government has been forced to stand down the thought police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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