Facts About Atheists according to Pew

[Stosh]

It's a bit higher than that, as the poll also says "More Americans say they do not believe in God or a universal spirit (7%) than say they are atheists (2.4%)", so it's more like 7% and 93%, but I assume part of jblake47's definition of "impact" are things like the removal of ten commandment monuments from public school property, so you can't simply compare 7% vs. 93% as part of that 93% agree with the government being neutral on religion. The head of Americans United for Separation of Church and State has been a UCC minister for decades.

I"m sure your myopia doesn't allow you to see that evolution is a lot more than what you call "science". That's simply the cloak Darwin used to cover up his attack on Christianity.

 

It unfortunate that your situation/beliefs don't allow a full dialog and debate on the issue.

 

Ya, gotta get over the personal attacks, they really don't anything for me and are getting rather telling on your part.

 

Stosh

[Merlyn_LeRoy]

It's a bit higher than that, as the poll also says "More Americans say they do not believe in God or a universal spirit (7%) than say they are atheists (2.4%)", so it's more like 7% and 93%, but I assume part of jblake47's definition of "impact" are things like the removal of ten commandment monuments from public school property, so you can't simply compare 7% vs. 93% as part of that 93% agree with the government being neutral on religion. The head of Americans United for Separation of Church and State has been a UCC minister for decades.

I don't think anyone else on this forum agrees with your peculiar view of evolution, much less actual scientists.

 

By the way, do you have a specific example of how the US is an atheist country, as you claim?

[Stosh]

It's a bit higher than that, as the poll also says "More Americans say they do not believe in God or a universal spirit (7%) than say they are atheists (2.4%)", so it's more like 7% and 93%, but I assume part of jblake47's definition of "impact" are things like the removal of ten commandment monuments from public school property, so you can't simply compare 7% vs. 93% as part of that 93% agree with the government being neutral on religion. The head of Americans United for Separation of Church and State has been a UCC minister for decades.

Good, I got an easy question...

 

I don't think anyone else on this forum agrees with your peculiar view of evolution, much less actual scientists.

 

Most true scientists have moved on to more important studies than chasing after political agendas. Proportionately speaking, I don't see much coming out of the scientific community on this subject anymore. A few pseudo-scientists carry on the banner, but for the most part are more politically motivated than scientific.

 

By the way, do you have a specific example of how the US is an atheist country, as you claim?

 

-- Separation of Church and State which means the US is non-religious, i.e. according to atheistic principles, godless.

 

-- examples? Attach anything that smacks of religion, Christian, Judean, Hindu, or Buddhist. Islam is off limits right now because they don't want to be seen anti-Muslim in the light of today's political environment.

 

-- And what make one think the world of Islam thinks we are the Great Satan? Oh, yeah, they see us as godless as well.

 

Stosh

[Merlyn_LeRoy]

It's a bit higher than that, as the poll also says "More Americans say they do not believe in God or a universal spirit (7%) than say they are atheists (2.4%)", so it's more like 7% and 93%, but I assume part of jblake47's definition of "impact" are things like the removal of ten commandment monuments from public school property, so you can't simply compare 7% vs. 93% as part of that 93% agree with the government being neutral on religion. The head of Americans United for Separation of Church and State has been a UCC minister for decades.

Separation of Church and State which means the US is non-religious, i.e. according to atheistic principles, godless.

 

No, it means the government is neutral on religion.

 

examples? Attach anything that smacks of religion, Christian, Judean, Hindu, or Buddhist. Islam is off limits right now because they don't want to be seen anti-Muslim in the light of today's political environment.

 

You don't even know what an example is.

 

You have to relate an actual event. The above is just handwaving, you've cited no actual events.

 

And what make one think the world of Islam thinks we are the Great Satan? Oh, yeah, they see us as godless as well.

 

So what?

[King Ding Dong]

It's a bit higher than that, as the poll also says "More Americans say they do not believe in God or a universal spirit (7%) than say they are atheists (2.4%)", so it's more like 7% and 93%, but I assume part of jblake47's definition of "impact" are things like the removal of ten commandment monuments from public school property, so you can't simply compare 7% vs. 93% as part of that 93% agree with the government being neutral on religion. The head of Americans United for Separation of Church and State has been a UCC minister for decades.

Is it a full moon ?

[Stosh]

It's a bit higher than that, as the poll also says "More Americans say they do not believe in God or a universal spirit (7%) than say they are atheists (2.4%)", so it's more like 7% and 93%, but I assume part of jblake47's definition of "impact" are things like the removal of ten commandment monuments from public school property, so you can't simply compare 7% vs. 93% as part of that 93% agree with the government being neutral on religion. The head of Americans United for Separation of Church and State has been a UCC minister for decades.

Separation of Church and State which means the US is non-religious, i.e. according to atheistic principles, godless.

 

No, it means the government is neutral on religion.

 

-- Oh, how I wish that were true. That's what it might mean to you, but like everyone else, they have a different perspective they are coming from. As one coming from the atheist point of view, of course you can't see it, your ox isn't getting gored.

 

examples? Attach anything that smacks of religion, Christian, Judean, Hindu, or Buddhist. Islam is off limits right now because they don't want to be seen anti-Muslim in the light of today's political environment.

 

Removal of religious pictures, posters, memorials from schools, government buildings and public property.

Mormons told they couldn't join the United States as the state of Utah unless they first remove their religious practice of polygamy.

Christian organizations that were dictated they had to provide contraceptives to their employees.

School organization deprived of membership like other groups.

Christian groups are required to allow non-Christians into their group including holding office in the group.

Christian organizations that restrict employment to members only is illegal.

Certain Christian activities for their members prohibited on public property.

Schools couldn't perform Christian music at performances.

Movement to drop "God" from the pledge and currency.

Movement in the news today to drop "God" from the Air Force Oath.

Government agencies identifying Christian groups as terrorists.

Military chaplains dictated what they can and cannot do.

 

Oh, my, the list goes on and on and on and on and on. The goal? The government is supposed to be perceived as neutral, but with all the above activity it is obvious it goes way beyond that to establishing requirements against religious tenets right down the line. If this is not obvious to anyone, they haven't been very observant. Whereas Jews and Christians take the brunt of all this, other religions get a pass and or a nod and wink. I know it's all political, but eventually whatever loyalty Christians had towards the government, it's kinda going away.

 

So, if one take God out of everything associated with religion in government, what have you established? A god-less nation. The only people who believe in a god-less nation are those who claim to be atheists.

 

You don't even know what an example is.

 

You have to relate an actual event. The above is just handwaving, you've cited no actual events.

 

And what make one think the world of Islam thinks we are the Great Satan? Oh, yeah, they see us as godless as well.

 

So what?

 

You may change your tune when the bomb goes off and gunfire starts at your local mall. Other religions differ from Christianity. Christianity allows for a wide range of tolerance, other religions don't necessarily. In a political environment you can get away with a lot against Christianity, but I can't speak for others.

[Merlyn_LeRoy]

It's a bit higher than that, as the poll also says "More Americans say they do not believe in God or a universal spirit (7%) than say they are atheists (2.4%)", so it's more like 7% and 93%, but I assume part of jblake47's definition of "impact" are things like the removal of ten commandment monuments from public school property, so you can't simply compare 7% vs. 93% as part of that 93% agree with the government being neutral on religion. The head of Americans United for Separation of Church and State has been a UCC minister for decades.

Oh, how I wish that were true. That's what it might mean to you, but like everyone else, they have a different perspective they are coming from. As one coming from the atheist point of view, of course you can't see it, your ox isn't getting gored.

 

And again, you offer NO examples. That's why I can't see it.

 

Removal of religious pictures, posters, memorials from schools, government buildings and public property.

Mormons told they couldn't join the United States as the state of Utah unless they first remove their religious practice of polygamy.

Christian organizations that were dictated they had to provide contraceptives to their employees.

School organization deprived of membership like other groups.

Christian groups are required to allow non-Christians into their group including holding office in the group.

Christian organizations that restrict employment to members only is illegal.

Certain Christian activities for their members prohibited on public property.

Schools couldn't perform Christian music at performances.

Movement to drop "God" from the pledge and currency.

Movement in the news today to drop "God" from the Air Force Oath.

Government agencies identifying Christian groups as terrorists.

Military chaplains dictated what they can and cannot do.

 

You have a real problem with the word "specific", don't you?

 

The above are ALL vague generalizations.

 

For example, your first line:

Removal of religious pictures, posters, memorials from schools, government buildings and public property

 

Various religious items have been removed from PUBLIC schools (not private), government buildings and public property, because the government isn't being neutral if they have religious items displayed as if the government is promoting that religion.

 

But SINCE YOU STILL HAVEN'T GIVEN ANY *SPECIFIC* EXAMPLES, I'M NOT GOING TO GUESS WHAT SPECIFIC EVENTS YOU ARE REFERRING TO.

 

Oh, my, the list goes on and on and on and on and on.

 

And yet, no specific examples.

 

So, if one take God out of everything associated with religion in government, what have you established? A god-less nation.

 

Nope. A blank wall does not promote godlessness.

 

You may change your tune when the bomb goes off and gunfire starts at your local mall.

 

What's that got to do with the fact that the US is not an atheist or a Christian country? Are you trying to demonstrate by example that it's impossible to reason with religious fanatics?

[Stosh]

It's a bit higher than that, as the poll also says "More Americans say they do not believe in God or a universal spirit (7%) than say they are atheists (2.4%)", so it's more like 7% and 93%, but I assume part of jblake47's definition of "impact" are things like the removal of ten commandment monuments from public school property, so you can't simply compare 7% vs. 93% as part of that 93% agree with the government being neutral on religion. The head of Americans United for Separation of Church and State has been a UCC minister for decades.

I'm sure you're tired of trying to discredit someone from a sub-species from yours. We can leave it at that.

 

Stosh

[Merlyn_LeRoy]

It's a bit higher than that, as the poll also says "More Americans say they do not believe in God or a universal spirit (7%) than say they are atheists (2.4%)", so it's more like 7% and 93%, but I assume part of jblake47's definition of "impact" are things like the removal of ten commandment monuments from public school property, so you can't simply compare 7% vs. 93% as part of that 93% agree with the government being neutral on religion. The head of Americans United for Separation of Church and State has been a UCC minister for decades.

No, I'd like you to actually list one specific example that shows the US is now an atheist nation.

 

PS: we are both the same species, you are not a subspecies of my species.

[packsaddle]

It's a bit higher than that, as the poll also says "More Americans say they do not believe in God or a universal spirit (7%) than say they are atheists (2.4%)", so it's more like 7% and 93%, but I assume part of jblake47's definition of "impact" are things like the removal of ten commandment monuments from public school property, so you can't simply compare 7% vs. 93% as part of that 93% agree with the government being neutral on religion. The head of Americans United for Separation of Church and State has been a UCC minister for decades.

KDD, "Is it a full moon ?" Must be, I'm howling!

[King Ding Dong]

It's a bit higher than that, as the poll also says "More Americans say they do not believe in God or a universal spirit (7%) than say they are atheists (2.4%)", so it's more like 7% and 93%, but I assume part of jblake47's definition of "impact" are things like the removal of ten commandment monuments from public school property, so you can't simply compare 7% vs. 93% as part of that 93% agree with the government being neutral on religion. The head of Americans United for Separation of Church and State has been a UCC minister for decades.

Back in July a specific example of Christian persecution was requested of Stosh multiple times and none was provided. I doubt it will happen now. The fact remains it is not Christian persecution at all because if you replaced the word Christian with any other religion the same principles would hold true.

 

What many Christians fail to realize is that Christianity is unlikely to remain the majority religion in this country forever and ever. The separation protects us all from the imposition of say Pastafarianism, Islam or Atheism on our future generations.

[Stosh]

It's a bit higher than that, as the poll also says "More Americans say they do not believe in God or a universal spirit (7%) than say they are atheists (2.4%)", so it's more like 7% and 93%, but I assume part of jblake47's definition of "impact" are things like the removal of ten commandment monuments from public school property, so you can't simply compare 7% vs. 93% as part of that 93% agree with the government being neutral on religion. The head of Americans United for Separation of Church and State has been a UCC minister for decades.

"In God's presence, there would be no sickness, disease, or old age. Wilson was given the Ghost Dance and commanded to take it back to his people. He preached that if the five-day dance was performed in the proper intervals, the performers would secure their happiness and hasten the reunion of the living and deceased. Wilson said that God gave him powers over the weather and that he would be the deputy in charge of affairs in the western United States, leaving current President Harrison as God's deputy in the East. Jack claims that he was then told to return home and preach God's message."

 

"Nonetheless, thousands of additional U.S. Army troops were deployed to the reservation. On December 15, 1890, Sitting Bull was arrested for failing to stop his people from practicing the Ghost Dance.[12] During the incident, one of Sitting Bull's men, Catch the Bear, fired at Lieutenant "Bull Head," striking his right side. He instantly wheeled and shot Sitting Bull, hitting him in the left side, between the tenth and eleventh ribs;[13] this exchange resulted in deaths on both sides, including that of Sitting Bull."

 

"Twenty U.S. soldiers received Medals of Honor for their actions" (Wounded Knee)

 

"When another movement for Utah's admission into the union was mounted in 1876 its sponsors essentially disregarded recent warnings from visiting federal executive and legislative leaders that statehood was not possible so long as plural marriage continued to be condoned and practiced in Utah."

 

"In the final struggles in Congress, it was the Democrats in the Senate Committee on Territories who appeared hesitant to grant the long-sought goal. Recent Utah territorial elections had gone against them, and with the national legislature so closely balanced, they were reluctant to grant two new Senate seats to the rival party. In the final compromise allowing the Utah enabling act, passed in July 1894, it was stipulated that Utah not be admitted until after the current congressional term. Thus statehood did not arrive until 4 January 1896, after a half-century of struggle."

 

Okay, two examples of where the US government did NOT stay neutral as has been claimed.

 

Stosh

[Merlyn_LeRoy]

It's a bit higher than that, as the poll also says "More Americans say they do not believe in God or a universal spirit (7%) than say they are atheists (2.4%)", so it's more like 7% and 93%, but I assume part of jblake47's definition of "impact" are things like the removal of ten commandment monuments from public school property, so you can't simply compare 7% vs. 93% as part of that 93% agree with the government being neutral on religion. The head of Americans United for Separation of Church and State has been a UCC minister for decades.

Okay, two examples of where the US government did NOT stay neutral as has been claimed.

 

Who's been asking for such examples?

 

Here's what I HAVE been asking for:

"By the way, do you have a specific example of how the US is an atheist country, as you claim?"

 

I don't know of any atheists involved in either Wounded Knee or preventing Utah from having legal polygamy, nor do I see how either is specifically promoting atheism. Since Wounded Knee concerned a non-Christian religion being oppressed, and many Christians don't consider Mormonism to be a sect of Christianity, why aren't the two events you've (finally) cited show that the US is a Christian nation? I would say both involve a lot of Christian hegemony.

[Stosh]

It's a bit higher than that, as the poll also says "More Americans say they do not believe in God or a universal spirit (7%) than say they are atheists (2.4%)", so it's more like 7% and 93%, but I assume part of jblake47's definition of "impact" are things like the removal of ten commandment monuments from public school property, so you can't simply compare 7% vs. 93% as part of that 93% agree with the government being neutral on religion. The head of Americans United for Separation of Church and State has been a UCC minister for decades.

I was answering KDD's request.

 

Oh, and by the way, the Church of Jesus Christ, Latter Day Saints is not Christian? What say ye, LDS scouters?

 

The US Constitution says in:

 

Amendment I

 

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 

Keep it in mind that the people at Wounded Knee were prisoners of war, confined to a concentration camp (reservation) and were supposed to be under government protection. Instead, because of their religion, they were killed.

 

The fact remained, the incident occurred on US Territory and inflicted by US troops under command of the US government. It really doesn't make a bit of difference what religion they were, it was supposed to be protected. I'm sure the intent of the troops was to insure there would be no one left to "...petition the Government for a redress of grievances." in this case.

 

Stosh

[Merlyn_LeRoy]

It's a bit higher than that, as the poll also says "More Americans say they do not believe in God or a universal spirit (7%) than say they are atheists (2.4%)", so it's more like 7% and 93%, but I assume part of jblake47's definition of "impact" are things like the removal of ten commandment monuments from public school property, so you can't simply compare 7% vs. 93% as part of that 93% agree with the government being neutral on religion. The head of Americans United for Separation of Church and State has been a UCC minister for decades.

Well then, I'm just waiting for an example of how the US is an atheist country.