Shutdown ?

[Papadaddy]

I work for the Department of the Navy and was sent home without pay. I can afford to miss a few days of salary, but we are supposed to close on a new home at the end of the month. Getting a little nervous now.

[NJCubScouter]

You do not have to worry about the government shutting down. The President and the Congressmen are still going to get their salary!

I don't know about that, NeverAnEagle, I just found this page and most of the items suggest that the judiciary is dependent on Congress for funding.

 

http://news.uscourts.gov/topics/funding

 

I do not have the figures, but I suspect that fines and fees are really just icing on the cake and that the bulk of the judiciary's funding comes from the same place as every other part of the federal government.

 

That page also tells me something I didn't know: The decision to keep the courts open is only "good" for about 10 business days, and they will do a reassessment on or around October 15. I doubt that the judiciary would ever be completely shut down. People have to be able to file cases because legal rights can be lost if they are not filed by a certain date. Criminal cases need to be tried, because if you have a huge backlog of criminal trials you end up with all kinds of problems (including constitutional ones.) Some civil cases (and many bankruptcy cases) really do require certain kinds of orders to be entered RIGHT NOW. A lot of the rest of it could be put on hold for... I don't know how long. A couple of weeks? Longer than that and it becomes a very big mess. In the shutdown in the 90s I think the federal court system remained completely open the whole time.

[Basementdweller]

I work for the Department of the Navy and was sent home without pay. I can afford to miss a few days of salary, but we are supposed to close on a new home at the end of the month. Getting a little nervous now.

My comment wasn't aimed at the ordinary Joe.....but the fat cats on the hill that have more in their checking account than I will retire on .....

 

Making a sacrifice generally means giving up something that is important.

 

Money to these folks means little

[moosetracker]

Hope things work out for you Papadaddy.. You hear things that make you hope a quick settlement is close at hand, then you hear stuff that say no one is ready to give in.. Either republicans have to give it up with nothing.. Or the Democrats need to throw them a small bone so they can save face.

 

The most promise I saw was this one video that was with two Republicans ready to refund government and back down.. So, they are not the ones in the lead.. But they were asked if they would deal on the funding of the Government AND not pulling this again on the Deficit if the Democrats offered them a trade in the Medical Device tax (from what I read there is already some agreement on that change).. Those two wanted a way out.. They were just looking for some bone thrown so they could save face (or perhaps it was more that the more radical elements of their party could save face.) and get out of the whole mess..

 

Again, don't know if it would not out the 30-40 house reps & Ted Cruise that are the only ones calling the shots.. And it meant the Dems had to take pity and throw the bone.. Dems I know wouldn't do it just for a 6 week fund the government.. But they might if they could also disarm the threat of Reps trying to take the Deficit fight as a new hostage.. That might be large enough to let them deal something..

 

But who knows.. It sounded like a great idea, but none of the people talking was a lead person who could start the wheel rolling.

 

All I can say is really, really stupid.. Never should of happened, and I hope for you and lots of others in your position, this is short lived.

[King Ding Dong]

Hope things work out for you Papadaddy.. You hear things that make you hope a quick settlement is close at hand, then you hear stuff that say no one is ready to give in.. Either republicans have to give it up with nothing.. Or the Democrats need to throw them a small bone so they can save face.

 

The most promise I saw was this one video that was with two Republicans ready to refund government and back down.. So, they are not the ones in the lead.. But they were asked if they would deal on the funding of the Government AND not pulling this again on the Deficit if the Democrats offered them a trade in the Medical Device tax (from what I read there is already some agreement on that change).. Those two wanted a way out.. They were just looking for some bone thrown so they could save face (or perhaps it was more that the more radical elements of their party could save face.) and get out of the whole mess..

 

Again, don't know if it would not out the 30-40 house reps & Ted Cruise that are the only ones calling the shots.. And it meant the Dems had to take pity and throw the bone.. Dems I know wouldn't do it just for a 6 week fund the government.. But they might if they could also disarm the threat of Reps trying to take the Deficit fight as a new hostage.. That might be large enough to let them deal something..

 

But who knows.. It sounded like a great idea, but none of the people talking was a lead person who could start the wheel rolling.

 

All I can say is really, really stupid.. Never should of happened, and I hope for you and lots of others in your position, this is short lived.

That was Peter King and Charlie Dent if I recall. Northeast Republicans, almost an extinct species. Something is seriously wrong when King sounds sane and reasonable. Where is the 30B going to come from ? They didn't answer that one.

 

Never negotiate with terrorists. I think they have about 30-40 vacancies at Gitmo.

 

Any Scouts have plans for a National Park trip soon ?

[moosetracker]

Hope things work out for you Papadaddy.. You hear things that make you hope a quick settlement is close at hand, then you hear stuff that say no one is ready to give in.. Either republicans have to give it up with nothing.. Or the Democrats need to throw them a small bone so they can save face.

 

The most promise I saw was this one video that was with two Republicans ready to refund government and back down.. So, they are not the ones in the lead.. But they were asked if they would deal on the funding of the Government AND not pulling this again on the Deficit if the Democrats offered them a trade in the Medical Device tax (from what I read there is already some agreement on that change).. Those two wanted a way out.. They were just looking for some bone thrown so they could save face (or perhaps it was more that the more radical elements of their party could save face.) and get out of the whole mess..

 

Again, don't know if it would not out the 30-40 house reps & Ted Cruise that are the only ones calling the shots.. And it meant the Dems had to take pity and throw the bone.. Dems I know wouldn't do it just for a 6 week fund the government.. But they might if they could also disarm the threat of Reps trying to take the Deficit fight as a new hostage.. That might be large enough to let them deal something..

 

But who knows.. It sounded like a great idea, but none of the people talking was a lead person who could start the wheel rolling.

 

All I can say is really, really stupid.. Never should of happened, and I hope for you and lots of others in your position, this is short lived.

Makes them somewhat safe to be vocal about their opposition to the hostage taking, but I do believe there is truth in that the house Republicans are falling apart, and that if the clean bill was put on the house floor it would be approved.. I am not so sure of the rumor that they have already reached the hastert rule in the fact over half the Republicans would approve the clean CR if it was put on the floor, but I think it might be close to that..

 

I'm more charitable, I prefer the right wing nuts just go to the padded cells they so richly deserve. OK maybe their ring leader Ted Cruz can go to Gitmo.. Otherwise they may be anarchists but I seriously question if what they do is with a sane mind.. Some of the other things they say seems to be making a case for that defense anyway.

 

I definitely agree that so far the Democrats have played it right to not negotiate.. It is easy to see the sense in it when this is happening over a 6 week extension bill to fund the government to give them time to negotiate the true 1 year budget, which could of happened over the past 6 months if the Republicans hadn't refused to go to conference in all that time..

 

I also don't want a precedence for the minority to rule government by hostage taking.. But the Debt ceiling fight would have far worse consciences for the whole government.. I wouldn't mind some negotiation to stay out of that, as long as it is done after making sure the Republicans are squeezed so far into the corner and that the whole country (accept for the bright red distracts they came from, I swear it has to be in the water they drink) see them for the idiots that they are.. Once they are rung out for all they're worth, a little bit of Democrats rushing in to save the country would not hurt the Democratic image.. Sort of like the hero letting the villain come close to drowning, but at the last minute the hero doesn't let the villain die, but plucks him out of the water and then hauls him off to jail, his plans to rule the world totally foiled and his life totally in ruins.

 

"Where's the 30B going to come from?" Gee now you sound like a Republican I don't know, since we are just giving it to the Republicans to save face have it come out of one of their pet causes.. Maybe oil subsidies.. Of course that wouldn't keep it all within the health industry and self sufficient..

[berliner]

Sad how this makes the US Goverment look outside the states, on the news in other countries.

Super Power Shutdown - maybe not the best thing.

All because of a handfull of extremist nutbags it seems.

But the german news picked up on the fact that one of the screwballs responsible was also one to open a memorial in front of cameras - schizo much?

[walk in the woods]

Problem of course is that the ACA was rammed through congress using budget reconciliation instead of actually getting the votes to pass the bill. This was done as a parliamentary maneuver by the Obama administration because he lost his 60-vote filibuster proof majority in the Senate the fall before when Brown was elected to fill Kennedy's seat. Rather than fight he used a process designed to cut the budget deficit to expand it dramatically. Some may call that good politics, some will call it Executive over-reach, some will call it a handful of extremist nutbags pushing an agenda.

 

As for the thought the republicans are being cornered into their "bright red distracts [sic]" you might want to look at the 2010 and 2012 elections. In 2008 the Democrats held 61 seats in the Senate and 256 in the house. In the next congress that went to 56/193 and in the next 51/200. In the President's home state a Republican was elected to take the President's old Senate seat. Don't forget that the folks in the congress are actually elected by the people, not the electoral college. The mid-terms next year will be interesting.

 

As for folks in Europe worrying about the US, meh. Maybe they should be worried about the collapse of the socialist economy in Greece (and Portugal and Spain and others). Maybe the US should be weary of traveling that same road.

 

 

[King Ding Dong]

Hope things work out for you Papadaddy.. You hear things that make you hope a quick settlement is close at hand, then you hear stuff that say no one is ready to give in.. Either republicans have to give it up with nothing.. Or the Democrats need to throw them a small bone so they can save face.

 

The most promise I saw was this one video that was with two Republicans ready to refund government and back down.. So, they are not the ones in the lead.. But they were asked if they would deal on the funding of the Government AND not pulling this again on the Deficit if the Democrats offered them a trade in the Medical Device tax (from what I read there is already some agreement on that change).. Those two wanted a way out.. They were just looking for some bone thrown so they could save face (or perhaps it was more that the more radical elements of their party could save face.) and get out of the whole mess..

 

Again, don't know if it would not out the 30-40 house reps & Ted Cruise that are the only ones calling the shots.. And it meant the Dems had to take pity and throw the bone.. Dems I know wouldn't do it just for a 6 week fund the government.. But they might if they could also disarm the threat of Reps trying to take the Deficit fight as a new hostage.. That might be large enough to let them deal something..

 

But who knows.. It sounded like a great idea, but none of the people talking was a lead person who could start the wheel rolling.

 

All I can say is really, really stupid.. Never should of happened, and I hope for you and lots of others in your position, this is short lived.

Republicans are the ones who like to cut taxes with no clue where the money is going to come from.

 

Everyone knows the whole gerrymandering garbage is the root of all this nonsense. If we can't find a way to fix it and fast this will be a never ending cycle. This whole Hastert Rule crap has got to end. This is democracy ?

[Twocubdad]

Hope things work out for you Papadaddy.. You hear things that make you hope a quick settlement is close at hand, then you hear stuff that say no one is ready to give in.. Either republicans have to give it up with nothing.. Or the Democrats need to throw them a small bone so they can save face.

 

The most promise I saw was this one video that was with two Republicans ready to refund government and back down.. So, they are not the ones in the lead.. But they were asked if they would deal on the funding of the Government AND not pulling this again on the Deficit if the Democrats offered them a trade in the Medical Device tax (from what I read there is already some agreement on that change).. Those two wanted a way out.. They were just looking for some bone thrown so they could save face (or perhaps it was more that the more radical elements of their party could save face.) and get out of the whole mess..

 

Again, don't know if it would not out the 30-40 house reps & Ted Cruise that are the only ones calling the shots.. And it meant the Dems had to take pity and throw the bone.. Dems I know wouldn't do it just for a 6 week fund the government.. But they might if they could also disarm the threat of Reps trying to take the Deficit fight as a new hostage.. That might be large enough to let them deal something..

 

But who knows.. It sounded like a great idea, but none of the people talking was a lead person who could start the wheel rolling.

 

All I can say is really, really stupid.. Never should of happened, and I hope for you and lots of others in your position, this is short lived.

"I also don't want a precedence for the minority to rule government by hostage taking.. "

 

What minority is that, Moose? IIRC, the Republicans have a majority in the House, placing them in an even tie with the Democratic Senate for control of Congress. Consequently our current stalemate.

 

I find all this talk of terrorists and Gitmo amusing. If a football team is down by 10 points with 20 seconds left in the game and go for an on-sides kick are they terrorists? Should they take a knee and head for the showers early or do they play out the game to the end using the rules they've been given? And is this not exactly how Obama Care was passed in the first place? The Democrats using their majorities to control the process? More gamesmanship. We should be accustomed to it by now.

 

I recommend reading Federalist #10.

 

Sorry for your situation PapaD. But I wouldn't worry about it too much. No doubt when this is settled in a few weeks all your back pay and benefits will be restored. We can't take a chance that all those furloughed voters will take out their frustrations at the polls.

 

The shutdown means nothing folks. You folks have apparently bought into the political theater hook, line and sinker. What's been shut down? Stuff which can be pushed off and resumed when a compromise is reached? Social Security checks will be delayed just long enough for MSNBC to interview old folk in line at the local food banks about their dire straits (which they could probably do today). I note the IRS said returns and payments due Oct. 15 are still due, although refunds may be delayed -- there's a shock! Didn't see that coming. High-profile services like national parks and monuments will be shut down in order to inconvenience school children and provide good media They shut down the WWII memorial? What the hell does that mean? What is there to shut down? It's a static, open plaza with one or two park rangers standing there watching over things. I guarantee the two rangers have been replaced with two park service police officers watching over nothing. But it made the news. And God bless those veterans who moved the barricades and went through the memorial anyway.

[Eamonn]

I have in the past posted a quote from one of my favorite bartenders.

One night when I was upset about something or someone she said "Take plenty of no notice."

There have been times when after looking at all options. - This has been the one that worked best.

 

While the media seems to want to scare everyone and seems to like telling us how we all are facing nothing but doom and gloom.

The truth seems to be that no one is taking that much notice.

It's a lot like having a box of fireworks that have got damp.

You light the fuse wait for the big bang and ....

Nothing happens.

 

 

This national trend of "Taking plenty of no notice."

Started with all the forecasts of doom and gloom.

Which were supposed to start at the beginning of this new millennium.

If ever there was a case of scaremongering, the Y2K problem, the Millennium bug ,was scaremongering gone wild.

I had friends who stockpiled bottled water, gas and emptied their checking accounts.

Others rushed out to buy generators. Believing that they were prepared for the worst.

Some were really upset when nothing happened.

 

Just recently the sequester was supposed to bring a lot of things to a grinding halt.

While maybe it did? In some places. But here in rural PA?

It was business as usual.

The government may have closed down but the Dow went up over 60 points?

NBC news last night had a story about a group of WWII vets who had traveled from afar to visit the WWII Memorial.

When they arrived the memorial was fenced in and guarded by a Park Ranger (Wonder who is paying her?)

These old timers really are from the Greatest Generation.

They very well might have been upset? I don't know.

But from what I seen they were taking it all very much in their stride. Maybe taking plenty of no notice?

Maybe because NBC was there with cameras rolling? - But it wasn't long till the fences were open and these brave and gallant old timers were enjoying the memorial that honors them and their fallen friends.

 

A few years back the Governor and State House of PA Were at loggerheads. Unable to pass a budget.

I was deemed an essential worker and had to go to work.

But I wasn't essential enough to get paid till things got sorted.

It wasn't that much of a big deal for me. But some of my co-workers who live from check to check., were finding it hard.

My hope is that everyone who is laid off or isn't getting paid, will be OK.

 

My guess is than in less than a week this budget thing will all be sorted.

Then the media can get to work scaring the heck out of us all when the guys in DC fight over the debt ceiling.

Which will once again be ignored by a lot of people,

Who if they have any sense will be busy enjoying an adult beverage and taking plenty of no notice.

Ea.

[Fehler]

It got the votes. It passed. Its been upheld by the Supreme Court. We've had a presidential election since then, and the president was reelected.

 

If the House wants to repeal it, go ahead and keep taking meaningless votes. If the House wants the Senate to act on any of those proposals, then they better be willing to offer something in return. What has the House offered?

 

If the Democratic Senate or the President allows the Republican House to put policy/program demands into continuing resolutions, what will happen when the next continuing resolution comes up? In two weeks when the "Debt Limit" will be reached, what will be the demand made to keep the nation from defaulting, a national abortion ban?

[SR540Beaver]

Must be a bummer to be formally labelled as "non-essential" in your job.

Heard a business owner on a local talk radio program say yesterday that he doesn't understand the non-essential thing. He said that he only hires essential staff. If they are non-essential, he doesn't hire them.

[SR540Beaver]

Hope things work out for you Papadaddy.. You hear things that make you hope a quick settlement is close at hand, then you hear stuff that say no one is ready to give in.. Either republicans have to give it up with nothing.. Or the Democrats need to throw them a small bone so they can save face.

 

The most promise I saw was this one video that was with two Republicans ready to refund government and back down.. So, they are not the ones in the lead.. But they were asked if they would deal on the funding of the Government AND not pulling this again on the Deficit if the Democrats offered them a trade in the Medical Device tax (from what I read there is already some agreement on that change).. Those two wanted a way out.. They were just looking for some bone thrown so they could save face (or perhaps it was more that the more radical elements of their party could save face.) and get out of the whole mess..

 

Again, don't know if it would not out the 30-40 house reps & Ted Cruise that are the only ones calling the shots.. And it meant the Dems had to take pity and throw the bone.. Dems I know wouldn't do it just for a 6 week fund the government.. But they might if they could also disarm the threat of Reps trying to take the Deficit fight as a new hostage.. That might be large enough to let them deal something..

 

But who knows.. It sounded like a great idea, but none of the people talking was a lead person who could start the wheel rolling.

 

All I can say is really, really stupid.. Never should of happened, and I hope for you and lots of others in your position, this is short lived.

KDD,

 

 

 

Republicans know exactly where the money comes from.......the little guy's pocket. That's why they want to reduce your taxes and cut bloated government spending. Democrats want to increase both. Think about this the next time you are at the ballot box, do you want to give up more of your hard earned money or be able to keep more? It really is that simple.

[moosetracker]

Hope things work out for you Papadaddy.. You hear things that make you hope a quick settlement is close at hand, then you hear stuff that say no one is ready to give in.. Either republicans have to give it up with nothing.. Or the Democrats need to throw them a small bone so they can save face.

 

The most promise I saw was this one video that was with two Republicans ready to refund government and back down.. So, they are not the ones in the lead.. But they were asked if they would deal on the funding of the Government AND not pulling this again on the Deficit if the Democrats offered them a trade in the Medical Device tax (from what I read there is already some agreement on that change).. Those two wanted a way out.. They were just looking for some bone thrown so they could save face (or perhaps it was more that the more radical elements of their party could save face.) and get out of the whole mess..

 

Again, don't know if it would not out the 30-40 house reps & Ted Cruise that are the only ones calling the shots.. And it meant the Dems had to take pity and throw the bone.. Dems I know wouldn't do it just for a 6 week fund the government.. But they might if they could also disarm the threat of Reps trying to take the Deficit fight as a new hostage.. That might be large enough to let them deal something..

 

But who knows.. It sounded like a great idea, but none of the people talking was a lead person who could start the wheel rolling.

 

All I can say is really, really stupid.. Never should of happened, and I hope for you and lots of others in your position, this is short lived.

Twocub in this the Republicans are a minority of a minority.. The house is only 1 of 3 branches of government, so republicans are a minority in the branches of government they control. Also the Majority of the house are willing to vote for the clean CR but are being prevented from doing so, making it a minority of the house who is has taken the house hostage and is not allowing them to vote sensibly.

 

As for this being a non-issue think again. Fiscal Republican tightwads will be complaining about the 300 million per day it is costing the government to be shut down, and arguing it must be paid back.. I say take it out of Republican backed pet projects.. This many people not receiving pay checks will also hurt the economic growth.. So even if Republicans do not have a heart to care about people like Pappadaddy, and what you are doing to him personally.. It will hurt you in your wallet, the only thing you do care about. It will also hurt you in the 2014 Elections.. Something I do find as the only benefit from this.