Baseballfan Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Does anyone know where this thread is? I can't find it... but I get so many error messages I wonder if it's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADCinNC Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 http://www.scouter.com/forum/open-discussion-program/369740-who-can-remove-a-cubmaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdp3612 Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 I can't get the link to open, but my understanding is the Committee Chair or the Charter Organization Rep can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Ding Dong Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I can't get the link to open, but my understanding is the Committee Chair or the Charter Organization Rep canThat is correct. By extension the Institutional Head can also by directing it through the COR. If the CM is accused of being gay, I suppose National can do it also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberSchiff Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 http://www.scouter.com/forum/open-discussion-program/369740-who-can-remove-a-cubmaster My experience, I have seen Council remove a unit leader (as in remove from Scouting) more often than IH or National. Sometimes Council pressures an IH to do it. Reasons could be a youth protection issue, financial mismanagement, membership qualification, or somebody doesn't like somebody...but rarely will the reason be stated. My $0.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alarab Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 In our Pack right now the CC excuse is "to protect CM health", the CM has MS. The CM has been CM since early July., but been in leader positions for 4 years. For the past month the CC has pushed the CM aside during Pack meetings and taken over, held leader meetings without the CM knowing, and Now is forcing the CM to step down and has called a meeting of all parents and the DE to be present when this is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberSchiff Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 In our Pack right now the CC excuse is "to protect CM health", the CM has MS. The CM has been CM since early July., but been in leader positions for 4 years. For the past month the CC has pushed the CM aside during Pack meetings and taken over, held leader meetings without the CM knowing, and Now is forcing the CM to step down and has called a meeting of all parents and the DE to be present when this is done.Inform and invite your COR (Charter Organization Representative) to attend. If most attending parents support the CM, the COR can overrule the CC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Ding Dong Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 In our Pack right now the CC excuse is "to protect CM health", the CM has MS. The CM has been CM since early July., but been in leader positions for 4 years. For the past month the CC has pushed the CM aside during Pack meetings and taken over, held leader meetings without the CM knowing, and Now is forcing the CM to step down and has called a meeting of all parents and the DE to be present when this is done.Well if you like the one man show all is well. If you don't, talk to the institutional head about it or shop for a new pack. The unit gets to pick its leaders. What does the CM think about it ? Isn't it just dandy when others decide your health care issues for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alarab Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 In our Pack right now the CC excuse is "to protect CM health", the CM has MS. The CM has been CM since early July., but been in leader positions for 4 years. For the past month the CC has pushed the CM aside during Pack meetings and taken over, held leader meetings without the CM knowing, and Now is forcing the CM to step down and has called a meeting of all parents and the DE to be present when this is done.I am actually the CM. I am fighting it tooth and nail. The parents want me there. I have asked the DE to have me leave the room though and have a vote to prove that they want me there, only to show it is not my word saying it vs the CC . Half of our committee is hoping to find a replace the wanna be "master and commander" . I have been in scouting since my 33 and 30 yr old were cubs (I was their CM then too-wow do I feel old). I live and breath scouting(seriously, when I fall asleep at times I fall asleep thinking of things to do next to help the scouts grow and when I wake up its the same thing "hey, we can go do this as a pack or this as a pack,"), so this issue is taking a major toll on my spirits. It's her pressuring me to do something against my will that is causing more issues than my health! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwazse Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 In our Pack right now the CC excuse is "to protect CM health", the CM has MS. The CM has been CM since early July., but been in leader positions for 4 years. For the past month the CC has pushed the CM aside during Pack meetings and taken over, held leader meetings without the CM knowing, and Now is forcing the CM to step down and has called a meeting of all parents and the DE to be present when this is done.From other post, CC is COR, and is pressing to remove the CM. alarab, sounds like you will have to accept change. You parents could talk to the institutional head, and request a different COR. But, that doesn't always turn out well either. DE's usually don't meddle in the affairs of the institution. It should be considered a real embarrassment when they show up at a unit meeting for something other than asking for money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alarab Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 In our Pack right now the CC excuse is "to protect CM health", the CM has MS. The CM has been CM since early July., but been in leader positions for 4 years. For the past month the CC has pushed the CM aside during Pack meetings and taken over, held leader meetings without the CM knowing, and Now is forcing the CM to step down and has called a meeting of all parents and the DE to be present when this is done.We have considered that. If it comes down to it and I leave the position then I will also leave the pack though. The unfortunate thing for that pack will be that there are other leaders that have decided that if the CC gets her way, they too will leave. But maybe that is what the pack needs, a fresh start or, let the CC be the "master and commander" she wants to be. The CC asked the DE to be there to back her up. There is another pack here locally that is decent sized but lacks leadership. They have a new, but inexperienced CM, no Web I leader or Asst, and only 3 committee members. If things turn out in the CC favor tomorrow night I will go there( that CM has been begging for my help) and give her all the help I can, as will the 3 leaders that will be following me (2 of which are my family members). We will just have to wait and see. Either way, I am not in scouting for the adults aspect, except to help the parents help the boys grow. MY entire being for scouting is for the boys and to help the boys grow! There will always be a place for me somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Ding Dong Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 In our Pack right now the CC excuse is "to protect CM health", the CM has MS. The CM has been CM since early July., but been in leader positions for 4 years. For the past month the CC has pushed the CM aside during Pack meetings and taken over, held leader meetings without the CM knowing, and Now is forcing the CM to step down and has called a meeting of all parents and the DE to be present when this is done.Than you for your service to scouting. Go where you are wanted. I wish our pack and troop had some experienced Scouters to help out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I wish BSA would fix the org chart that shows the CM reporting to the Committee. I'll leave it to managerial types to figure out how to depict the CC and CM working as a team. http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/CubScouts/Leaders/About/ThePack.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScoutNut Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 In our Pack right now the CC excuse is "to protect CM health", the CM has MS. The CM has been CM since early July., but been in leader positions for 4 years. For the past month the CC has pushed the CM aside during Pack meetings and taken over, held leader meetings without the CM knowing, and Now is forcing the CM to step down and has called a meeting of all parents and the DE to be present when this is done.What is your Charter Organization (CO)? Who is the head of that CO (Charter Organization)? Are they at all involved/interested in the operation of their Pack? I suggest you talk to the head (IH-Institutional Head) of your CO. Tell him/her what is going on, and invite him to the meeting. If you can get the IH on your side, the IH trumps the COR/CC. I will be REALLY surprised if your DE shows up. They might, possibly, send your District Commissioner instead. Either way, if your CO/IH wants you gone there is nothing you, or the DE, or the parents, can do about it. Note - There MUST be a registered Cubmaster to have a valid Cub Scout Pack. That CM can NOT also be the registered COR, or the registered CC. So, your COR/CC can NOT be the one, single, do it all, "master/commander". Personally, I would move to the other Pack. I am sure they can find something for you to do. Or, you might consider talking to your DE about volunteering in the District Commissioner Service. It sounds like your area could use some experienced Unit Commissioners! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwazse Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 From here in the cheap seats, it sounds like CM alarab should move to the commissioner corps and transfer to the pack who is asking for help, registering as its UC. Eventually, when the dust settles with the current pack, he/she could UC that one, if asked. Regardless, it's entirely possible that several packs could benefit from that seasoned leadership. The only catch is sometimes UCs do better at a distance (i.e., when their own family members are not in the Packs they are serving). I'll let the former district key-3s among us opine further as to the merits of such a move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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