What does nonsectarian mean to you?

[King Ding Dong]

TJ, what good is being in the majority if you don't get to dictate the terms for 'fairness'?

Baptists used to be huge supporters of freedom of religion, that is until they became the majority in many states.

[Merlyn_LeRoy]

Baptists used to be huge supporters of freedom of religion' date=' that is until they became the majority in many states.[/quote']

 

The Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty is still very good at supporting religious liberty.

[King Ding Dong]

Baptists used to be huge supporters of freedom of religion' date=' that is until they became the majority in many states.[/quote']

 

The Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty is still very good at supporting religious liberty.

Not sure what the BJCRL is, will look that up. I know who Land is, and he does not support religious liberty.

[packsaddle]

Baptists used to be huge supporters of freedom of religion' date=' that is until they became the majority in many states.[/quote']

 

The Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty is still very good at supporting religious liberty.

'Joint' committee? I assumed they advocate legalized pot for religious purposes.

[acco40]

You do know why Baptists don't have sex standing up? Someone might think they are dancing. :-)

[King Ding Dong]

Baptists used to be huge supporters of freedom of religion' date=' that is until they became the majority in many states.[/quote']

 

The Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty is still very good at supporting religious liberty.

Brief tour of website seems like this is a very interesting group. Is there any evidence this group has the endorsement of the Southern Baptist Convention? They seem like oil and water.

[King Ding Dong]

You do know why Baptists don't have sex standing up? Someone might think they are dancing. :-)

A man walks into the lingerie department of Macy's in New York City. He tells the sales lady, 'I would like a Southern Baptist bra for mywife, size 34B.'

 

With a quizzical look the sales lady asks, 'What kindof bra?' He repeats, 'A Southern Baptist bra. My wife said to tell you that she wanted a Southern Baptist bra, and that you would know what she wanted.'

 

'Oh, yes, now I understand,' says the sales lady. 'We don't get as many requests for them as we used to. Most of our customers lately want the Catholic bra, the Salvation Army bra, or the Presbyterian bra.'

 

Confused, and a little flustered, the man asks, 'So, what are the differences?'

 

The sales lady responds. 'It's really quite simple. The Catholic bra supports the masses, the Salvation Army bra lifts up the fallen, and the Presbyterian bra keeps them staunch and upright.' He muses on that information for a minute and says, 'Hmm. I know I'll regret asking, but what does the Southern Baptist bra do?' 'Ah,' she replied, 'the Southern Baptist bra makes mountains out of molehills.'

[Merlyn_LeRoy]

Brief tour of website seems like this is a very interesting group. Is there any evidence this group has the endorsement of the Southern Baptist Convention? They seem like oil and water.

 

They used to, but according to wiki they had a falling out in the 1980s and the SBC is not listed as a current supporting organization. The SBC has had its own "Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission" since then.

[Rick_in_CA]

Are non-Christian prayers acceptable at council or district events?

 

At my local council and district events, the opening prayer or invocation usually takes one of two forms: overtly Christian (“In Jesus’ name, amenâ€Â) or generic (“May the great Scout Master...â€Â). Almost never overtly Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, etc. Now I live in a diverse region, we have many churches and temples of different faiths in the area (there is even a Zoroastrian temple in town - I’ve been told one of the local troops has a pair of Zoroastrian scouts). In my own pack, most of the families are various flavors of Christian (mostly Catholic), but we have, or have had, Muslims, Jewish and Hindu families. So this topic came up for discussion with some scouters at a round table BBQ a while back.

 

One of the scouters said that his previous council (he has recently moved to our area) all the prayers were overtly Christian, and he had offered to give a Muslim prayer to open a round table (he is Muslim). He was told no because too many scouters would be offended so it wasn’t allowed (there is a story he was told to go along with that - I don’t want to derail the discussion, so I won’t repeat it here). I found this to be very surprising (and hope what he was told was incorrect). I have no reason to believe a similar rule exists in my local council or district.

 

So the question: would you be offended if an overtly Muslim, Hindu, Zoroastrian, or other non-Christian prayer was used to open a district or council event (unit events are a different issue)?

 

If yes, why? And if yes, are you also offended by overtly Christian prayers (and if no to that, why not)?

 

Does your local district or council have a rule against non-Christian prayers at district or council events?

[packsaddle]

Why does religious expression have to occur as part of a herd? Why can't each person just do their own personal thing without requiring the presence of others? This is something I've never understood.

[perdidochas]

Are non-Christian prayers acceptable at council or district events? At my local council and district events' date=' the opening prayer or invocation usually takes one of two forms: overtly Christian (“In Jesus’ name, amenâ€Â) or generic (“May the great Scout Master...â€Â). Almost never overtly Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, etc. Now I live in a diverse region, we have many churches and temples of different faiths in the area (there is even a Zoroastrian temple in town - I’ve been told one of the local troops has a pair of Zoroastrian scouts). In my own pack, most of the families are various flavors of Christian (mostly Catholic), but we have, or have had, Muslims, Jewish and Hindu families. So this topic came up for discussion with some scouters at a round table BBQ a while back. One of the scouters said that his previous council (he has recently moved to our area) all the prayers were overtly Christian, and he had offered to give a Muslim prayer to open a round table (he is Muslim). He was told no because too many scouters would be offended so it wasn’t allowed (there is a story he was told to go along with that - I don’t want to derail the discussion, so I won’t repeat it here). I found this to be very surprising (and hope what he was told was incorrect). I have no reason to believe a similar rule exists in my local council or district. So the question: would you be offended if an overtly Muslim, Hindu, Zoroastrian, or other non-Christian prayer was used to open a district or council event (unit events are a different issue)? If yes, why? And if yes, are you also offended by overtly Christian prayers (and if no to that, why not)? Does your local district or council have a rule against non-Christian prayers at district or council events?[/quote']

 

 

Our council pretty much keeps it generic. I would have no problem with Muslim or Jewish or Buddhist or any other prayer (with the exception of Satanic) at a Scout event, provided that it was done by a Scout or Scouter of whatever faith.

[perdidochas]

Why does religious expression have to occur as part of a herd? Why can't each person just do their own personal thing without requiring the presence of others? This is something I've never understood.

 

 

If I like something, I want to share it with others. Why wouldn't this apply to religion as well?

[perdidochas]

Why does religious expression have to occur as part of a herd? Why can't each person just do their own personal thing without requiring the presence of others? This is something I've never understood.

 

 

If I like something, I want to share it with others. Why wouldn't this apply to religion as well?

[packsaddle]

That's fine if others want to share it. Make the offer but don't shove it in their face.

[King Ding Dong]

Why does religious expression have to occur as part of a herd? Why can't each person just do their own personal thing without requiring the presence of others? This is something I've never understood.

Because of you are not seen by others it doesn't count as much or didn't happen.