Who can remove a Cubmaster?

[ChuckConnors]

Have you already asked the CM to go? How about talking before firing. He or she might decide that if the Pack doesn't want him ro her that it's best to just leave. But I've also seen where a COR or the COmmittee asked the Council to ask the CM to step down.

No discussion with CM. COR & CC goes to council with false info and statements. The rest is history.

[ScoutNut]

Have you already asked the CM to go? How about talking before firing. He or she might decide that if the Pack doesn't want him ro her that it's best to just leave. But I've also seen where a COR or the COmmittee asked the Council to ask the CM to step down.

As others have stated the buck stops at the Charter Organization.

 

If the COR wants the CM gone, the CM is gone. There does not need to be any discussion, or voting. The CM is simply told by the COR his services are no longer needed.

 

If the COR supports the CM, than no matter what the Committee, or any of the parents want, the CM stays.

 

The only ones who can override a COR are the IH (Institutional Head of the Charter Org), and the Council Scout Exec (only for youth protection reasons).

[perdidochas]

not too sure about that since Cubmaster precedes both COR and CC. If neither signed Cubmaste Application, how can he be removed by people who never had any say in his becoming Cubmaster in the first place?

Because they have the authority based on their position. The COR is the official representative for the Charter Organization. Basically, the Charter Organization trumps anybody else on the choosing of CM (unless the proposed CM is gay/atheist).

[ChuckConnors]

COR is a meddlesome fool without an original thought in his head. He is easily influenced by those who he believes to be his "friend" or concerned about what he considers to be his duties. He has caused more problems than he's helped and he made the final decision to remove the Cubmaster in mid-program year which caused the entire year to go down the drain. No one seems to remember that these issues affect the kids. Some adults can only see their own egos as their motivation for their actions. Horrible. What a waste. The Cubmaster was well-liked by parents and kids alike. It became nothing more than a show of force by the COR (with significant influence by his "friend" the Committee Chairman) who wanted nothing more than to be All-Things-Scouting and replace himself as the Cubmaster AND Committee Chair. About a third of our kids have abandoned our pack or scouts entirely as a result of this stupidity. Imagine going on a tent campout and ordering pizza for dinner, since the only person who had any cooking gear was the cubmaster. And he was the only person who did any of the legwork making sure things got done. Scouting is going into the toilet because the main purpose of the council leaders is to maintain the status quo, no matter how poorly it operates. Pathetic.

 

 

[ChuckConnors]

COR is a meddlesome fool without an original thought in his head. He is easily influenced by those who he believes to be his "friend" or concerned about what he considers to be his duties. He has caused more problems than he's helped and he made the final decision to remove the Cubmaster in mid-program year which caused the entire year to go down the drain. No one seems to remember that these issues affect the kids. Some adults can only see their own egos as their motivation for their actions. Horrible. What a waste. The Cubmaster was well-liked by parents and kids alike. It became nothing more than a show of force by the COR (with significant influence by his "friend" the Committee Chairman) who wanted nothing more than to be All-Things-Scouting and replace himself as the Cubmaster AND Committee Chair. About a third of our kids have abandoned our pack or scouts entirely as a result of this stupidity. Imagine going on a tent campout and ordering pizza for dinner, since the only person who had any cooking gear was the cubmaster. And he was the only person who did any of the legwork making sure things got done. Scouting is going into the toilet because the main purpose of the council leaders is to maintain the status quo, no matter how poorly it operates. Pathetic.

 

 

[ScoutNut]

First of all, unless your Pack was a one-man-show, with the CM doing it all, including being the de facto den leader for every Cub, there is no reason for the Pack's program to "go down the drain" with the loss of the CM.

 

You claim that being a "one-man-show", or "All-Things-Scouting" is what the CC wants to be. However, from your description, it seems that was exactly what was happening with the CM (you?).

 

As for the CC making himself BOTH Committee Chair (CC), AND Cubmaster (CM) - not possible. BSA registration will not allow it. For a Pack to be chartered, there has to be one (1) REGISTERED Cubmaster, and another, separate, person, REGISTERED as CC. The ONLY person that the BSA computer system will allow to be MULTIPLE REGISTERED in more than ONE position is the Chartered Organization Representative (COR). The COR can be multiple registered as the Committee Chair - OR - a Committee Member - OR - the Parent Coordinator.

 

Also, as long as a Charter Organization (CO) follows the BSA program/rules/regs, the local Council has NO say in how the CO runs it's BSA units. The ONLY time a Council will step in, and interfere with a CO's choice of leaders, is if there is a youth protection problem with the volunteer, or if the volunteer did not pass the BSA background check. A Council can, thru it's Commissioner Service (District level volunteers), mentor a unit. A Commissioner can even (with the permission of the CO) step in and do more hands-on help when there is a critical need. However a Council can NOT tell a CO not to fire one of it's volunteer leaders.

[ScoutNut]

First of all, unless your Pack was a one-man-show, with the CM doing it all, including being the de facto den leader for every Cub, there is no reason for the Pack's program to "go down the drain" with the loss of the CM.

 

You claim that being a "one-man-show", or "All-Things-Scouting" is what the CC wants to be. However, from your description, it seems that was exactly what was happening with the CM (you?).

 

As for the CC making himself BOTH Committee Chair (CC), AND Cubmaster (CM) - not possible. BSA registration will not allow it. For a Pack to be chartered, there has to be one (1) REGISTERED Cubmaster, and another, separate, person, REGISTERED as CC. The ONLY person that the BSA computer system will allow to be MULTIPLE REGISTERED in more than ONE position is the Chartered Organization Representative (COR). The COR can be multiple registered as the Committee Chair - OR - a Committee Member - OR - the Parent Coordinator.

 

Also, as long as a Charter Organization (CO) follows the BSA program/rules/regs, the local Council has NO say in how the CO runs it's BSA units. The ONLY time a Council will step in, and interfere with a CO's choice of leaders, is if there is a youth protection problem with the volunteer, or if the volunteer did not pass the BSA background check. A Council can, thru it's Commissioner Service (District level volunteers), mentor a unit. A Commissioner can even (with the permission of the CO) step in and do more hands-on help when there is a critical need. However a Council can NOT tell a CO not to fire one of it's volunteer leaders.

[frankpalazzi]

Baseballfan: Why "unfortunately"? Are your committee members also members of the CO? If there is an incident where someone is injured, or worse, it is the CO that gets slapped with the lawsuit. The CO is ultimately responsible for the actions of it's leaders, and should exercise it's responsibilities accordingly. In your situation, I would think that the CO had a very good reason for doing what they did. It is not their obligation to tell you why, either. As the COR for my units, I have a local police officer run a check on each new adult applicant before I sign them. If there is any questionable activity, or I simply do not feel comfortable for whatever reason having this adult as a leader, then its a NO GO. My job is to protect the CO, select and approve QUALITY leadership, and no one is owed an explanation as to why I sometimes have to make a difficult decision. Hope this helps.

[frankpalazzi]

Duplicate post.

[frankpalazzi]

Duplicate post.

[frankpalazzi]

Duplicate post. (Like RABBITS, I tellya!)

[frankpalazzi]

Duplicate posts.

[frankpalazzi]

Duplicate post. Rabbit extermination almost done.

[frankpalazzi]

Duplicate post. DONE!

[Baseballfan]

Lol, Frank, that's a lot of posts. He (COR) made the decision alone, and notified the CM (of 3 years) a few days before our bridging ceremony. He did say "that was always the plan", we think he probably assumed the CM was stepping down and therefore looked for a replacement, but there was a massive communication fail and no one (except the replacement and the COR) knew what was coming. I'm not sure why you mentioned an injury etc.? The old CM (the one that was removed) is still in the Pack now as a DL , and is also on the Troop Committee. He hasn't had any problems and is generally well-liked... he and the COR still have a good working relationship although a little marred by the way it happened (suddenly and unexpectedly).