Eagledad Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 >>You still aren't getting it; I'm not addressing the BSA, I'm addressing YOUR rationalization for the BSA's exclusion of atheists, which can't be right because the BSA doesn't exclude other people for the same reasons -- only atheists.<< How is that different from my morning coffee analogy? Hey Merlyn, the BSA doesn't care whose god the scout uses, even if he make it up along the way. It's that simple. I can see how putting a omniscient rock obove an athiest could be degrading, but as I asked before, who is to say the rock doesn't speak? You need to make up something new for the BSA to look evil. Oh sorry, I mean, mean. >>Uh, nobody said "incapable". I'm capable of sticking peanuts up my nose,<< I'm sure you are, but that comment wasn't a reference to you the athiest, it was in reference to NJ who believes god created the universe and then packed out. Does that make NJ a diest? Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlyn_LeRoy Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 "How is that different from my morning coffee analogy?" Besides entirely? "Hey Merlyn, the BSA doesn't care whose god the scout uses, even if he make it up along the way. It's that simple" Which means your excuse for why the BSA excludes atheists (they don't have an "untouchable source of moral direction") doesn't work, because, as you yourself say, the BSA allows scouts who make up a god along the way. So it's OK to make up a god and morals, just not OK to skip the imaginary middleman and make up morals. But that still contradicts your initial reason for the BSA's exclusion of atheists. You're now admitting that a scout can make up a god, instead of requiring an "untouchable source of moral direction". "I'm sure you are, but that comment wasn't a reference to you the athiest, it was in reference to NJ who believes god created the universe and then packed out. Does that make NJ a diest?" I'd call him that, but it's probably better to ask him, not me. But NJCubScouter didn't say his god was incapable of a relationship with man, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagledad Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Now admitting? Hmmm. Merlyn, red is not blue, it will always be red. Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlyn_LeRoy Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Yes, how is a made-up god an "untouchable source of moral direction" when the scout can just change his god's mind the next day? By the way, red is not red when it's moving towards you at 80,000 km/s, then it's shifted to blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagledad Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 >>Yes, how is a made-up god an "untouchable source of moral direction" when the scout can just change his god's mind the next day?<< God's mind didn't change, the scout's understanding of god's wisdom changed from his daily experiences of life. That is why the BSA program is such a great experience. Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packsaddle Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Just to note: color, per se, doesn't really exist. Color is merely the way humans (and evidently some other animals) interpret different wavelengths of electromagnetic radiation. It is a human (animal) perception. We don't really even know if what Merlyn 'sees' as red is the same 'red' that Eagledad 'sees' when both of them observe the same wavelength of electromagnetic radiation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlyn_LeRoy Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 >>Yes, how is a made-up god an "untouchable source of moral direction" when the scout can just change his god's mind the next day?<< "God's mind didn't change, the scout's understanding of god's wisdom changed from his daily experiences of life." No, it's MY example. If you want a scout to use YOUR example, you need to create your own, new, example. In MY example, the scout changes his god's mind the next day. And that's just fine with the BSA, apparently. YOU again are trying to impose an "unchangable" god, because that fits YOUR theology; you can't impose YOUR restrictions on OTHER PEOPLE'S gods. Other people can have gods whose minds get changed by humans, and you can't say otherwise. Get your own god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagledad Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 >>In MY example, the scout changes his god's mind the next day. << Impossible, God is unchangable. Man is flawed and changes her mind all the time. >>Other people can have gods whose minds get changed by humans, and you can't say otherwise.<< That's not god, that's the alter ego trying to beef up insecurities caused from being raised by angry atheist fathers. Scouting can help that kid. Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlyn_LeRoy Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 "Impossible, God is unchangable." There you go again, telling other people what their god MUST be like, because YOU insist on what THEIR theology MUST BE. "That's not god" Yes, it is. Other people can have gods whose minds are changed by humans. Who resigned and made you Pope? "that's the alter ego trying to beef up insecurities caused from being raised by angry atheist fathers." You forgot "cheapskate Jews" and "lazy blacks" in your insulting stereotype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagledad Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 >>You forgot "cheapskate Jews" and "lazy blacks" in your insulting stereotype.<< Athiest is an insulting stereotype? Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlyn_LeRoy Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 It seems you've been reduced to either being an idiot, or pretending to be an idiot. I won't bother trying to decipher which. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packsaddle Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Folks, I don't really know what 'flagging' really does so I just flagged the last few posts to experiment with it. It seemed like a good time to try it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZMike Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 So what does Flagging do? Does it go on your Permanent Record? I just posted 3 comments and they just endlessly sit there with a pop-up saying "Working..." Some of the threads show that there are long threads with current posts today, but they the thread only shows 1 page and nothing current. You have to use the Filter drop down to find the most current post. If I leave this forum, it won't be because of the incivility and personal invective (that just makes it feel like one of my family reunions), but because you can spend 10 minutes typing a response and have it vanish into the electronic aether. I have no idea if this post wll make it. It's like a message in an electronic bottle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packsaddle Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 AZMike, as you well know, EVERYTHING that goes onto the internet is part of your 'Permanent Record', lol. BTW, good luck on finding that photo of me and my buddies in embarrassing Halloween costumes from 1979. As for the complaint desk, that is a good comment and I hope you repeated it to the appropriate thread for those things....if you could get it to 'work'. My solution has been to hit the 'Post' button and then do something else for about 5 minutes. Then I just hit the 'refresh' button on the browser and usually the post is right there where I expected it to be. I do sympathize with the bewildered feelings of navigating this new site. But isn't that part of the adventure?? P.S. Your family sounds interesting. Do they come armed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZMike Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 This is Arizona, even our clergy are packin'. Usually, granny has us check the larger ordnance at the door. Especially if any of us have been sipping some of our "driving whiskey" on the way over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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