Tampa Turtle Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 We had our COH last night and the small sampling of parents I discussed the issue with could not care less. Greater concern was over a poor flag ceremony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoutingagain Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Jeepers Creepers. So many threads. So many posts it's hard to keep up. I had to respond to this one though. "I would cheerfully discriminate against a gay man who wanted to go camping with teenaged boys. " And with the new proposed policy you are completely welcome to do just that. There is absolutely nothing in the new policy that prevents a CO from continuing to discriminate based on sexual orientation just as they always have. SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoutingagain Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Jeepers Creepers. So many threads. So many posts it's hard to keep up. I had to respond to this one though. "I would cheerfully discriminate against a gay man who wanted to go camping with teenaged boys. " And with the new proposed policy you are completely welcome to do just that. There is absolutely nothing in the new policy that prevents a CO from continuing to discriminate based on sexual orientation just as they always have. SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalicoPenn Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Boy Scouts of America: 2.7 million youth Girl Scouts: 2.2 million youth American Heritage Girls: 17 thousand youth I suspect that the initial change will be about 50,000 youth lost from the BSA. I suspect that the biggest losses will be in the South. In the end, though, I suspect that it will be a minor blip in the first year and that membership will grow again once the initial news reporting and exodus occurs (no one is going to remember this in August/September for Cub Scout recruiting - timing is everything). The American Heritage Girls has a letter on their website from their executive director asking their members to contact the BSA and express how disappointed they are (I guess the MOU must not have said anything about not interfering in any way with each other's internal operations and policies - oh, wait, it does - I guess the AHG feels they can just ignore their obligations to a "partner") and to pray that the board won't take that action, and that they will be evaluating the relationship for the future. I suspect the AHG will no longer promote the BSA as a like-minded partner anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalicoPenn Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Boy Scouts of America: 2.7 million youth Girl Scouts: 2.2 million youth American Heritage Girls: 17 thousand youth I suspect that the initial change will be about 50,000 youth lost from the BSA. I suspect that the biggest losses will be in the South. In the end, though, I suspect that it will be a minor blip in the first year and that membership will grow again once the initial news reporting and exodus occurs (no one is going to remember this in August/September for Cub Scout recruiting - timing is everything). The American Heritage Girls has a letter on their website from their executive director asking their members to contact the BSA and express how disappointed they are (I guess the MOU must not have said anything about not interfering in any way with each other's internal operations and policies - oh, wait, it does - I guess the AHG feels they can just ignore their obligations to a "partner") and to pray that the board won't take that action, and that they will be evaluating the relationship for the future. I suspect the AHG will no longer promote the BSA as a like-minded partner anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaoman45 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 You'll probably have a small exodus from Utah also. And with the new proposed policy you are completely welcome to do just that. There is absolutely nothing in the new policy that prevents a CO from continuing to discriminate based on sexual orientation just as they always have. Did the policy officially change yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrdalys Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Don't you think that the LDS church, with it's thousands of units, had their say on the issue already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basementdweller Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 LDS changed its stance a couple of months ago.... http://www.mormonsandgays.org/ No one fully knows the root causes of same-sex attraction. Each experience is different. Latter-day Saints recognize the enormous complexity of this matter. We simply dont have all the answers. Attraction to those of the same sex, however, should not be viewed as a disease or illness. We must not judge anyone for the feelings they experience. Members of the Church who have same-sex attractions, but dont act on them, can continue to enjoy full fellowship in the church, which includes holding the priesthood, carrying out callings, and attending the temple. Unlike in times past, the Church does not necessarily advise those with same-sex attraction to marry those of the opposite sex. Same-sex attraction itself is not a sin, but yielding to it is. However, through repentance Jesus Christ will offer forgiveness.(This message has been edited by Basementdweller) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packsaddle Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I guess we can just pick a random thread on this topic now, they're so mixed up...or maybe it's me. Anyway, I'm still trying to understand the reaction in which someone decides to leave scouting, not because their CO has lost its ability to discriminate, but because OTHERS have gained the freedom to choose NOT to discriminate. I just don't get it. Why does one person NOT want another to have the same freedom that THEY have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tampa Turtle Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I agree with Basement. I knew by 4th grade I REALLY liked girls enough to know I would have to give up any dreams of being Catholic Priest. I just assumed most gay guys were just that....especially considering how much stuff they had to put up with back then. I wouldn't be surprised if someday they discover it is a bit like left handedness, a gene that gets switched from DC to AC during pregnancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packsaddle Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 And WHAT, I may ask, is WRONG with being left-handed? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handedness_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basementdweller Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I shoulda put quote marks around the post above, it was a cut and paste from the link above it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tampa Turtle Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Basement My mom and son were lefties! When I worked in a factory I often felt sorry for lefties in that the safety switches always seemed most convenient to righties as you were sucked into the crushing machine... I think lefties are great for genetic diversity. Maybe y'all will save us from the Alien invader. Actually my son is ambidextrous with a (practice) sword and wins a lot of mock battles by switching sides during a match. Seems stronger with the right but writes and has fine motor control with the left. When my mom was in Catholic school the nuns wacked her left "devils" hand when she wrote with it. Now back to our regularly scheduled Gays in Scouting Program... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlyn_LeRoy Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 It's not completely off-topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handedness_and_sexual_orientation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packsaddle Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Tampa Turtle, I also add that you need to be really careful what you do with your left (devil's) hand if you're in parts of the Middle East. And in the desert, the left hand is the correct one...oh yeah. Merlyn, what was it that Mark Twain wrote about statistics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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