So Dad what is an Assault Rifle??

[Stosh]

"The Night of the Broken Glass (Kristallnacht)--the infamous Nazi rampage against Germany's Jews--took place in November 1938. It was preceded by the confiscation of firearms from the Jewish victims. On Nov. 8, the New York Times reported from Berlin, "Berlin Police Head Announces 'Disarming' of Jews," explaining:

 

The Berlin Police President, Count Wolf Heinrich von Helldorf, announced that as a result of a police activity in the last few weeks the entire Jewish population of Berlin had been "disarmed" with the confiscation of 2,569 hand weapons, 1,702 firearms and 20,000 rounds of ammunition. Any Jews still found in possession of weapons without valid licenses are threatened with the severest punishment.(New York Times, Nov. 9, 1938, 24)

 

On the evening of Nov. 9, Adolf Hitler, Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels, and other Nazi chiefs planned the attack. Orders went out to Nazi security forces: "All Jewish stores are to be destroyed immediately . . . . Jewish synagogues are to be set on fire . . . . The Fhrer wishes that the police does not intervene. . . . All Jews are to be disarmed. In the event of resistance they are to be shot immediately." (Gerald Schawb, The Day the Holocaust Began (New York: Praeger, 1990), 22)

 

My apologies Beavah, it was only targeted for a certain few.... Sometimes one does not automatically lose an argument with the Godwin Law if the point is the truth.

 

So it begs the question, when push comes to shove, who's the target in America today?

 

Stosh(This message has been edited by jblake47)

[Beavah]

There is no target in America today. That's just crazy talk.

 

What yeh said was that "Hitler was the first government to have all guns registered in Germany."

 

That is simply false.

 

Gun registration in Germany was somethin' done under the Weimar Republic, well before da rise of National Socialism. The Nazi party, as CalicoPenn points out, substantially loosened gun laws, and encouraged gun training and ownership. With it came what normally comes with private armaments, eh? Mob violence and pogroms. By the time of the dates that yeh mention gun registration wasn't a big deal, they were busy registering Jews. Da confiscation of weapons was only incidental to da other depredations.

 

Besides, do yeh really think that a bunch of Jews in the ghetto with a few guns were goin' to thwart the rise of tyranny in Germany? Yeh have to be jokin'! Czechoslovakia, Poland, France, and Russia couldn't stop 'em, and I'm pretty sure they were armed.

 

Beavah

 

[Stosh]

No target in America? Who's the bad guy? Citizens with certain weapons, NRA, 2nd Amendment, etc. ????

 

Well, until criminals with guns gets on the list, I'm not backing the efforts. More police on the streets, better laws concerning incarceration, cleaning up the black market on guns, etc. are all better targets than Uncle Joe's Bushmaster he has for hunting or Auntie Anne's sawed off shotgun she has under the bed because a Glock is too complicated and her eye sight is not as good as it used to be.

 

Every now and then we hear about some school getting shot up. It's a terrible tragedy and all efforts need to be made to deal with the actual issue. Round up criminals and put them away.

 

But every day in most cities of our country, people's homes are being invaded as well. Some are looking to burglarize, some to rape, some for whatever reason you wish to think up. What about those people?

 

The police can't be everywhere all of the time. Most crime is reported AS IT IS HAPPENING and by then it is too late for some. Not everyone believes fighting back is a valid option, unless it's rape, or kidnapping your child, or (fill in the blank). But those that do, should have the means to do so.

 

Yes, the Constitution makes allowances for having our country as a whole to defend itself from the threats of other countries/enemies around the world. Well, it also makes it clear that in the Bill of Rights granted all citizens, the means to defend themselves as well.

 

I don't think it is any wiser to disarm the citizenry as it would be to dissolve the military forces we have in place.

 

And why isn't there any discussion, ideas, suggestions, etc. being made on these forums on the subject of getting guns out of the hands of criminals?

 

Stosh

[packsaddle]

jblake47, helllllooooooo....universal background checks....

[Basementdweller]

You guys are ignorant to think that background checks have anything to do with keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.

 

 

Look at that guy in new york who had his poor innocent neighbor girl buy them for him or the Gun show guys advertising no background checks. Not to mention the huge black market in firearms.

 

One of the fellows I work with has a felon on his record....It disqualified him for an Ohio CCW permit. So what do you do??? Get one from Wisconsin instead, which so happens to have a reciprocal carry agreement with Ohio but does not share criminal records.

 

 

I will agree that unless the government collects all the assault rifles or semi's they will never go away. Even if they are collected the crimial element will still have them for a number of years.