SPL576 Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I recently visited the National Boy Scout Museum in Irving, Texas. Imagine my puzzlement when I realized that there was not a single mention of Green Bar Bill in the entire museum. The (Retired Professional) docent originally seemed to have never heard of Green Bar Bill Hillcourt until I pointed out that he had written all the leadership manuals for the Scouts up until around 1972, had co-authored the original Scout Field Books (the brown covered ones) with Chief Scout James E. West, etc. Then he reluctantly admitted that Green Bar Bill had lost favor in the eyes of the National Professionals and was therefore excluded from being placed in The National Boy Scout Museum. What a loss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBob Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 WoodBadge did it! Blame WB21C! If true. What will Scouting look like in 2031? No dirt. No mud. No smoke. No fires. No crushing the bugs with your tent. No loud voices? No risky games. No running. No blades. No climbing. No falling. No swimming. No bathing? No boys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beavah Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 Holy smoke. Really? That's truly sad. A museum should honor history, eh? Not try to rewrite it. Timeless values include being Trustworthy and Loyal. B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oak Tree Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 Still one mention of him on the national museum web site. One of the benefits of donating at the $500 level includes a copy of the book Baden-Powell The Two Lives of a Hero by: William Hillcourt http://www.bsamuseum.org/SupportTheMuseum/Membership.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle92 Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 The quote,"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" is really true. Folks are trying to forget Green Bar Bill and what he taught us, and things look like we are headed into the 1970s again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPL576 Posted June 10, 2011 Author Share Posted June 10, 2011 I'm guessing that you are referring to the Great Debacle of 1972 when the Program was turned over to a Madison Avenue Consulting Firm to make Scouting amenable to inner city kids. That turned out to be an unmitigated disaster! Green Bar Bill fought bitterly over that nonsense and was "retired". They had to bring him back from Retirement around 1979 to redo the handbook and stop the bleeding as Scouts left by the tens of thousands. Even though he was able to put some "outing" back into "Scouting", the big brass never forgot his "telling it like it is" and it shows in that he is never mentioned in any of the exhibits in the National Museum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vol_scouter Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 All of us on this Forum should inundate the National Office and the Scouting Museum with complaints until it is corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stosh Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 Kinda makes me happy that I spent my youth BSA career pre-1970's. Like a lot of things, the Golden Age of Scouting has passed. The really sad part of it all? I do more camping, kayaking and getting out hiking now that I'm no longer with a troop. I hadn't realized how much it was holding me back. This year I have plans to camp in both the Rockies as well as the Appalachians. From what I've seen over the past 40 years, this thread does not come at any surprise. What's really sad is now that I'm a UC and going out and listening to units, the biggest complaint is the adults holding back the scouts. At least in my part of the world. Your mileage may vary, Stosh(This message has been edited by jblake47) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtswestark Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 What a real shame. We flocked to him like a rockstar at the '81 jambo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank17 Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 "They had to bring him back from Retirement around 1979 to redo the handbook and stop the bleeding as Scouts left by the tens of thousands." I was one of the casualties of that time. We moved in 1978, and my new Troop never went on a single outing or trip involving camping. They were all about book-work and earning MBs, and I dropped out of scouting within 3 months of our move. Fortunately, I joined up with a Pathfinder's group that taught me all my outdoor skills. It's a shame that Irving is downplaying his role in scouting so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abel Magwitch Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I was lucky to have my handbook signed by GBB at the jamboree. I remember standing in line and there was GBB signing handbooks. He had a kid sitting next to him. His job was to draw two green bars through his autograph with a magic marker. Unfortunately in my council, it is the inner city programs that are being abused by the professionals in order to make their membership quotas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papadaddy Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 Scouter Terry (the owner of this site) had a personal relationship with Bill. Let's see what he has to say about it before passing judgment. I wouldn't get my panties in a bunch over the comments of a volunteer docent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kudu Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 He is excluded from the Scouting Heritage Merit Badge as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle90 Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 Green Bar Bill spoke at our council's annual banquet a number of years ago and I did get his autograph on the program with the two green bars. He had to be in his upper 80's at the time and our banquet is in January in the upper midwest, and there he was in his shorts! He mesmerized us for 1 1/2 hours with songs, stories, and his experiences, and we wanted him to continue. What an inspiring figure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPL576 Posted June 10, 2011 Author Share Posted June 10, 2011 I just checked the requirements for the Scouting Heritage MB. I guess Waite Phillips is in there because he donated the Philmont properties to the BSA. How they could omit the person who co-authored the Scout Field Book from 1944 to 1959, wrote all the Scout Leadership Books (Handbook for Patrol Leaders and Scoutmaster's Handbooks) during the Golden Age of Scouting (up until the Great Debacle of 1972) and who developed the entire Patrol Method during Scouting's Golden Age is beyond me. How fortunate some of us are to have such great memories of Green Bar Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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