OA flap on venturing uniform

[John-in-KC]

Of course, since uniform is not a METHOD of Venturing, I doubt a lot of young ladies and gentlemen may care...

[trailfinder52@yahoo.com]

Since for youth or adults to be in the OA they have to be registered in a BSA program, why can't Venturers who are in the OA still wear the OA patch on the spruce green shirt. The reason why a group of female Venturers do not want the male Venturers who are in OA not to wear the patch is because of jealousy, not inequality, Now we have all heard of the COD (Corps of Discovery) Now if the crew was really interested in democracy and diplomacy they would get involved in the COD either on the crew or council level, and if a Venturing committee in the council, wanted to even all the ends and make it equal they would promote and encourage the crews to involve themselves in COD and let the male Venturers continue to wear OA flaps on the spruce, since most crews choose their own uniforms, why should that matter anyway. But if a crew chooses to wear spruce, then the COD Venturers (male and female) wear the COD flap, and the male OA Venturers wear the OA flap. But what happens if a male scout-like Venturer is also in the COD then can he wear both COD and OA flap? If youth in crews vote to do the COD then do it. But let the other male youth that are OA continue to wear it. Lets move on. COD has a flap patch available from sageventure. Quit cursing the dark and light a candle, build the program and use the resources that are available.

[Beavah]

Yah, OK, so here's a question or two.

 

Can a Venturer who is dual registered in a Boy Scout troop wear red shoulder loops on green?

Can a Venturer who is dual registered in a Troop wear his SPL position patch on his green Venturing shirt?

Do kids wear a baseball team cap with their soccer uniform?

 

What's the difference for OA? It's still wearin' one program's uniform item (Boy Scouting) on another program's uniform (Venturing).

 

As for adults, I'm a firm believer that those of us who work multiple programs should set the example of good uniformin', by havin' an appropriate uniform for each of the programs we serve, with patches and knots specific to that program and no "excess insignia."

 

Beavah

 

[emb021]

"Can a Venturer who is dual registered in a Boy Scout troop wear red shoulder loops on green? "

 

No. Red is specifically proscribed on the green uniform. Only green, silver and gold loops are worn on it.

 

"Can a Venturer who is dual registered in a Troop wear his SPL position patch on his green Venturing shirt?"

 

No. A better reason is that his Venturing uniform shows is position in the Crew, not also his position in the Troop. Now, this wasn't so in the past when Explorer Crews were allowed in Troop, but as Troops and Crews are separate units, no longer.

 

"Do kids wear a baseball team cap with their soccer uniform?"

 

"What's the difference for OA? It's still wearin' one program's uniform item (Boy Scouting) on another program's uniform (Venturing)."

 

Wrong view. Its incorrect to speak of the OA as being only the Boy Scout program. What about adults who are in Cub Scouting who are Arrowmen? By your logic they aren't allowed to wear the OA flap on their Cub Scouter uniform. What about adults above the unit level who are Arrowmen? Many of them are no involved specifically in the Boy Scout program. Are they too barred from wearing the OA flap?

 

"As for adults, I'm a firm believer that those of us who work multiple programs should set the example of good uniformin', by havin' an appropriate uniform for each of the programs we serve, with patches and knots specific to that program and no "excess insignia." "

 

I would only agree with that in concerns with position/program specific items. For instance, if you are involved at the district or council level as well as will a unit, don't mix unit numbers with district/council patches.

 

I do not view patches like Jamboree, knots, or even the OA as being 'program specific' in this sense, or that they should be restricted to wearing on a particular uniform for a particular program.

 

Now, if YOU wish to not wear something on a particular uniform, that's your choice. But there is nothing wrong with wearing the OA flap (or any knots) on any BSA uniform.