Trevorum Posted January 3, 2006 Author Share Posted January 3, 2006 OakTree, It turns out that Pennsylvania also has 19 councils (tied with New York and Texas)! They are: Chester County, Bucks County, Juniata Valley, Bucktail, Columbia Montour, York Adams, Westmoreland Fayette, Keystone, Chief Cornplanter, Minsi Trails, Hawk Mountain, Penn's Woods, French Creek, Moraine Trails, Susquehanna, Northeastern Pennsylvania, Greater Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Dutch, and Cradle of Liberty. Dave, the data base was compiled by fellow Scouting memorabilia collector Dave Hultberg. He has freely distributed the Excel file and is on Patch-L if you want to ask about the sources he used. I'll send you a copy (if anyone else would like a copy, please PM me). The copy I have is 2002 and has 2,265 councils listed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oak Tree Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Trevorum, Thanks for looking that up. The two additional councils in Pennsylvania are Allegheny Highlands and Five Rivers. Both look to be headquartered in New York, but both include multiple counties in Pennsylvania. And they both have active web sites, so I don't think they've merged. So does Pennsylvania move into sole ownership of second place? Oak Tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevorum Posted January 9, 2006 Author Share Posted January 9, 2006 OakTree, You are correct. If we count councils which overlap into a second state, then Pennsylvania moves into second place, with Mason Dixon, Allegheny Highlands, Hudson Valley, and Baden Powell. (My records don't show Five Rivers as overlapping into Pennsylvania, but maybe I'm wrong.)(Again.) However, I suppose that Texas cound be in second place with 20 councils if you count National Council in Irving. And, the New York folks could argue that they have 24 councils, if you count the Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Queens, and Staten Island. No matter. It all makes for more fun collecting patches! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oak Tree Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Trevorum, I don't have access to whatever official records you're looking at - I'm just going by the council websites. The Five Rivers Council site starts off with "Serving the Youth of the Southern Tier of New York and the Northern Tier of Pennsylvania". Check it out for yourself at http://www.fiverivers.org/main_page.html All in good fun. Oak Tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevorum Posted January 17, 2006 Author Share Posted January 17, 2006 Well, sure 'nuff. It looks like Pennsylvania is a clear second place! My records are by no means 'official'! (Only Dave Scott gets acess to those! ) My source is just the data base laboriously compiled by an insane patch collector for use by other insane patch collectors (like me). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie_Scouter Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 I can spin this off as a separate thread, but I was wondering if anyone knew why the National Office moved from New England all the way to Dallas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGreyEagle Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 I have been told by them who says they know that the BSA office was once in New York City, then it moved to "suburban" New Jersey and then was moved to Irving, just outside the confines of DFW. The reason was the same for all the moves, price. They supposedly got a great deal to move to Texas and be more centrally located in the country for a heck of a lot less than being in New Jersey (or any East Coast location) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevorum Posted January 17, 2006 Author Share Posted January 17, 2006 Shoot, Texas is God's country! Ever'bdy knows that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljnrsu Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 BSA National had 3 offices in NYC. First was in the YMCA on 28th Street. Then 200 5th Ave. Sometime in the 30's they moved to 2 Park Ave. In 1953 National moved to North Brunswick,NJ. I do not remember the exact reason for the move to Irving in 1979. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kahuna Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 If you ever visited the old office in North Brunswick, you'd know the answer. It was in a heavy traffic, industrialized area in a corner of the country where real estate is expensive and quality of life questionable in terms of commuting and such. All the National people lived over in Basking Ridge, which was pretty nice, but property values there would have been pretty outrageous, I imagine. Being in Dallas, off the freeway, near a major airport, in the middle of the country, with plenty of real estate available in the 'burbs probably looked really good to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miki101 Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 As I recall, The Chief Scout Executive at the time was a good Texan named J.L. "Jack" Tarr and the BSA received a free building and free land. I'd move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie_Scouter Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Thanks, guys. Miki, that makes a lot of sense to me. I couldn't figure out why they had to move all that way just to find a good deal on a facility, but the idea that there was somebody who popped up with a great deal that happened to be in Texas makes sense to me. Seems a little weird, tho, that they couldn't have come up with something closer to where they were already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miki101 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 PS. Trev, The first official BSA Scoutmaster Certificate (#1) was awarded to YMCA Boys' Work Secretary, M.D. Crackel, of the West Side YMCA of Cleveland making him and the aformentioned YMCA the first SM and troop. David C. Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevorum Posted January 24, 2006 Author Share Posted January 24, 2006 Oh, that's good trivia! This just in: on Jan 1st, the Southeast Alaska Council and Western Alaska merged. The new Council name looks to be GREAT ALASKA Council. http://www.bsawac.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGreyEagle Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Wonder how many "number" rivers councils there are. you know, Two Rivers, Three Rivers, etc? My money is over 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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