scoutldr Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Well, as i was told by the older scouts before I was tapped-out (yes, TAPPED) in 1968...it stands for "we want women" PS: Welcome to the campfire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle92 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Dancer216, Welcome to the forums, and what style? Scoutleader, I always thought it was Wine, Women, and Whopee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolesrule Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Wine, Women and Wages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeptic Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Sorry; "old timer disesase" ; forgot the comic relief intended.(This message has been edited by skeptic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woapalanne Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 "Alot of people are in the dark about Freemasonry." That's because it's a secret order. Non-members are supposed to be in the dark. What the public sees are the charitable works of Freemasonry. What they don't see are the ceremonies, rituals, and oaths that members are bound to keep secret from non-members." Not correct. It is NOT a secret order. It is an order with secrets. BIG difference. A secret order keeps its existance secret. Freemasonry does not. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engineer61 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 maddog - why do parents have to feel that they have to be evolved in every aspect of the sons scouting? After the Oregon Case, you really have to ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engineer61 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Modern civilization has been and still is loaded with secret organizations and sub-societies...most become public intentionally or unintentionally. Some beneficial, some benign, some contemptible. Freemason's and over a dozen split-off's from the Freemasons. Most college fraternities and sororities. KKK, Hitlerjugend Various semi-public political orders which keep the conspiracy theorists going like the UN, NWO, IMF, WHO. Is BSA a secret organization? I think it was at one time, but I don't think so now. It is definitely a closed club, or at least it appears that they desire that, in some sub-organizations (like OA) more than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadenP Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Engineer I don't think that the BSA itself was a secret or closed organization, the OA maybe but not the basic BSA program. Some have in the past have branded the BSA as an organization for white middle class Protestant only boys which had some truth to it. Catholics and Jews were discouraged from joining early on for fear of taking the boys away from their own faith, and that camping trips violated the Sabbath and Sunday Mass obligations for these boys. Even in the early days of the BSA there were African American troops from poor rural areas but they still enjoyed being scouts. Maybe it is time for the OA to evolve its program from its early days and let their activities become more transparent to alleviate both parental and youth concerns. IMO the OA should be emphasizing more outdoor experiences unique to them and more service not only to camps but also to the community at large. Maybe it would be better to downplay the Indian dancing and ceremonies especially because when they are done poorly really insult the dignity of those cultures being portrayed. Native American woodcraft skills and their views on being in harmony with nature are the real values the OA should emphasis, as well as some real exciting outdoor activities open only to members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engineer61 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Hi BP, I think the level of secrecy or "closed-ness" of BSA has probably varied over time and geography. Probably still does. When I was a kid, BSA was very closed and closed-mouth...the reason being that in my town they were closely affiliated with local secret organization(s). Having moved away many years ago, I don't know if that affiliation still exists. I don't ever recall seeing a Scout (Cub or BSA) in uniform in public in my hometown, except maybe in a parade on the Independence Day. Cub Scouts did not serve at school functions, nor did they meet at school. If I knew any Scouts, I didn't know that I knew them...that's pretty secret in my book. I think the problem that some people have is that if they "know" that an organization (not just BSA) has a "secret" sub-group that they have heard about, they wonder what other "secret" sub-groups they don't know about. It's a conspiracy mentality, granted, but that is the way of the world these days....mainly because we've had so many. According to an ABC poll I found, 72% of people 18-64 believe the Kennedy assassination was a conspiracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherminator505 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I believe the Kennedy assassination was a conspiracy; however, I do not believe the the Order of the Arrow was involved in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGreyEagle Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 And that is exactly what "they" would like you to think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadenP Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Gee Engineer where did you live anyway, sounds like the Twilight Zone to me, lol. The BSA was always open when I was a kid and we wore our uniforms all the time to special events, parades ,scoutaramas, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engineer61 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I grew up in rural central Ohio, during 60's and 70's. Outside of a Mom coming in to my classroom on time to promote Cub Scouts when I was in grade school, I really never saw any aspect of Scouting in any public arena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old_OX_Eagle83 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Secret, not really, thats an intentional illusion. The mystique lent by the air of secrecy is very attractive to boys, its just that simple. What an inexpensive, and effective, motivation. The biggest issue today is people undermining the order by trying to strip away this powerful illusion. If you are an adult, and want to know, ask. You will be given your answers; its that easy. Just dont ruin it for these young men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattlePioneer Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 For decades Scouting was as secret as it could be and still repeatedly appear on the cover of the Saturday Evening Post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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