Gunny2862 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Basementdweller, not that your point is wrong, but your citation is. The second forum link you gave refers to a Scout who winds up a Life for Life, not an Eagle, in his own words. Some folks did advocate for methods of rehabilitation for his error (it IS a youth program), but none said he deserved it in spite of his error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packsaddle Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Basementdweller, in the first example the boy committed the act at age 13. Are you saying he can't turn himself around in 5 years? In the second example, the boy DIDN'T get Eagle. Bad example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basementdweller Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Let me dig around some more..... There was a Citation of an Eagle candidate smoking pot on a campout. And another shoplifting from a trading post..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentinel947 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Basement: Almost no standards short of military style promotion is going to keep SOME bad eggs from becoming Eagle. As I always say, "I'd rather work with a good Life Scout, than a bad Eagle Scout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle732 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Still looking for an answer for my hypothetical question. Do you sign off or not? Explain why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eisely Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Eagle732, There would be at least two grounds for not signing off in your hypothetical situation. One would be the duty to god issue. The second would be a failure to "keep myself physically strong...." by smoking. The violations of law would possibly be a third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle732 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Thank you. One straight answer, anyone else care to take a shot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packsaddle Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Eagle732, I'd ask him how he acquired the alcohol and inform him that I'm referring this to the police for further investigation. That would be the end of it. No signature, pending the outcome of the police investigation. The rest is less important AFAIC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle732 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 OK Pack, seems the alcohol weighs pretty heavy with you. Anyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packsaddle Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 It does. I'm not so interested in punishing the boy. What I'd really like to do is to get to the person(s) who supplied the alcohol to him and then hurt them. Badly. Tobacco, OTOH, isn't likely to hurt other people as much has alcohol can, mostly the boy himself. And I consider his beliefs to be something for him to sort out. None of my business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eisely Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Coming back to the original topic... I understand that the mom, Karen Andresen, will attempt to deliver her petition to the Mount Diable Silverado Council office tomorrow afternoon, Thursday, October 18, in Pleasant Hill with full media coverage. I thought she already got her fifteen minutes. Watch your local news to see if there is any coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle732 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Did he bother to appeal using the procedures in place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle732 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I hope the lack of response to my hypothetical question doesn't mean that there are few who are interested in helping youth struggling with the problems of alcohol, drugs, smoking or have questions about their faith. Anyone else want to weigh in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eisely Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Eagle732, Appeal what? How do you appeal removal from membership? This is not a matter of appealing an adverse decision regarding one's eagle. He never got to a board of review, although he could have gotten there without the SM signature on his eagle application. By removing Ryan from memberhsip in BSA altogether BSA national said he was simply ineligible to receive any further awards, and cut off the eagle process before it got to an EBOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwazse Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 E732, My CO is a Presbyterian Church. Presbyterian ministers were players in the whiskey rebellion. Consumption of hard liquor is a grand tradition (although the Women's Temperance Union did manage to, well, temper it.) Smoking, well, tobacco made this country what it is. So, unless the boy insists on inhaling Cuban cigars, it is sort of duty to country. If he doesn't believe in God, how can he do his duty to it? I would encourage the boy to stop the charade. Or, get serious with his maker because all of that drinking and smoking is doing nothing to forestall an encounter with Him. I wouldn't sign. I would ask him to think sincerely about what's being put before him, and have him come back in a month so we can continue the discussion. Even if he decides scouting's not for him I'd enjoy keeping in touch with the lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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